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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted

      They'll have to negotiate that. If men don't want to drive women around & women have right to drive selves around, don't see huge problem. https://twitter.com/melliflora/status/851075602421608449 …

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    2. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Helen, it's not about whether you see a huge problem. It's that the majority of Saudi women do see a problem with driving themselves. /1

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    3. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @HPluckrose

      Lifting restriction on women driving also removes male obligation to drive his female relatives. Most Saudi women don't want this to change

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @HPluckrose

      Personally, I'd rather be free to drive myself. But I'm not a Saudi woman and it's not for me to dictate to them how they should feel.

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Ben‏ @BristolBen 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @HPluckrose

      I agree broadly with your social analysis, but not with your ethical analysis.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @BristolBen @HPluckrose

      Do you believe you understand the majority of Saudi women's interests better than they do themselves, Ben?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Ben‏ @BristolBen 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @HPluckrose

      It's not a matter of interests. It's a matter of ethics. Those women are benefiting at the expense of others.

      1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @BristolBen @melliflora

      Deeply utilitarian. Its in a majority's interests to deny freedoms to a minority so doing so is ethical.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

      In this case the majority sees this as a minority wanting to deny a coveted right to the majority. Still sound "deeply utilitarian" to you?

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    10. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @HPluckrose @BristolBen

      There are other reasons why a large majority of Saudi women support the driving ban. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/02/saudi-protest-driving-ban-not-popular …pic.twitter.com/l4L5ShIlcN

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @BristolBen

      Enough! Our ethical premises are different. This evidence of yours convinces a conservative collectivist not a liberal individualist.

      8:20 AM - 9 Apr 2017
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        2. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BristolBen

          I respect how majority of Saudi women want their country run. Even though I find their views foreign & hard to understand. It's not our call

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @melliflora @BristolBen

          I don't. I am a liberal. I think women, LGBTs, liberals, atheists etc deserve human rights no matter where they live. Fundamental difference

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @melliflora @BristolBen

          Between cultural relativity & consistent liberalism. But you are unwilling to address my views as they are which is disappointing so goodbye

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