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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora

      I'm not going to watch a 30 minute MRA video on whether women were historically oppressed. I have studied this in a bit more depth for yrs.

      4 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    2. Pike‏ @JDefiant9 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @CordovanSplotch @HPluckrose @melliflora

      Helen is one of the most reasonable and educated voices you're likely to find on gender-Twitter. Just sayin.

      2 replies 0 retweets 14 likes
    3. Pike‏ @JDefiant9 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch and

      That said, Helen...I dont know that Ive ever heard an MRA claim that circumcision is part of a feminist plot O.o

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. Pike‏ @JDefiant9 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch and

      And as Karen Straughan is the MRA primarily responsible for the "Saudi is gynocentric" line, her material is relevant to your point.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. Pike‏ @JDefiant9 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch and

      I have found Karen to generally be one of the best voices of the MRM and must confess I found that quote of hers sad and disappointing (1)

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    6. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch @HPluckrose

      Which quote are you referring to? That all cultures, including Saudi, are gynocentric? It seems obvious to me that they are.

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    7. Pike‏ @JDefiant9 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @CordovanSplotch @HPluckrose

      She had a thing on HBR where she talkes about Saudi being gynocentric...said something like the women cant drive so men have to for them

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    8. Pike‏ @JDefiant9 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JDefiant9 @melliflora and

      I think her position is probably less radical than her critics made it out to be but it definitely seemed like her most questionable take.

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    9. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch @HPluckrose

      According to Straughan, a majority of Saudi women polled agree with the status quo regarding driving. If true, her analysis makes sense.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch

      Not if it suggests that its fine that women who want autonomy & rights can't have them because more women don't want them.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @melliflora and

          In same way, men should have same rights as women even if majority don't want to use them.

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        3. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch

          "Rights" are part of a larger picture, though. Gaining rights a majority doesn't want can mean losing privileges that majority does want.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @melliflora @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch

          Good. If a woman wants to stay indoors, never drive, never make her own decisions, she needs to find a man happy to complement this.

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        5. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch

          In the larger picture, though, men's "happiness to complement this" isn't an issue. It is an *obligation* with the coercive force of law.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @melliflora @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch

          We were talking abt getting rid of that system & women losing that 'privilege.' I said she can still have it if man happy to oblige.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @CordovanSplotch @melliflora @JDefiant9

          The one we have now is pretty good.

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        2. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch

          One Saudi woman's "autonomy" is another Saudi woman's loss of her male relatives' obligation to chauffeur her around. It's subjective.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @melliflora @JDefiant9 @CordovanSplotch

          And that;s the good thing about rights. You don't have to use them but people who want to can.

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