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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora @HPluckrose

      Your second example may have a core of truth, though. Gynocentrism really is species-wide. And imo, it's not an intrinsically bad thing.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora

      Oh dear.

      1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
    3. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I don't feel familiar enough with Saudi culture to argue my point in that specific context. But have you seen this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqYEVYZgdo …

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora

      No. What is the thesis?

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    5. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It'd be easier if you just watched it than for me to try to explain via twitter. Radical ideas and concision don't mix well, unfortunately.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora

      I'm not going to watch a 30 minute MRA video on whether women were historically oppressed. I have studied this in a bit more depth for yrs.

      4 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I've never heard an analysis like the one in Karen Straughan's video anywhere else. And, I think it's likelier than not that you haven't.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora

      I suspect I have. She outlined it to me over the course of a couple of hours.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      The fact that you used the word "oppression" in your dismissal of a quote of hers makes me question how well you understand her position.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @melliflora

      I know she doesn't think oppression applies. I know she thinks there are different duties and privileges & it works in a complementary way.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @melliflora

      But this is completely irrelevant to my view on women's rights in history which I happen to know something about.

      5:23 AM - 9 Apr 2017
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @melliflora

          There are a lot of very good analyses of the pros & cons of patriarchy for both sexes & how it played out in practice.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @melliflora

          I write about the ways in which women negotiated authority & autonomy for themselves within systems that ostensibly denied this.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @melliflora

          I know quite a lot about the burdens it placed on men too. For many couples it worked. For others it did not. Coz people vary.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @melliflora

          When looking at a system, we have to look not only at the best case scenarios but at the worst abuses it allowed for & then fix that.

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        6. End of conversation
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        2. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Well, Helen, I do hope you can find the time to watch her video. I'd enjoy discussing it with you, knowing we were both on the same page.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @melliflora

          Maybe I will in the future. I am more focused on a universal liberalism right now. Sick of feminist & MRA propaganda.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Mel Liflora‏ @melliflora 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          With all due respect, Helen, I don't think Straughan's video is "propaganda." It is radical gender theory from an incisive, original mind.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Apr 2017
          Replying to @melliflora

          OK. I am not interested in gender theory.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. End of conversation

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