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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @apeirophobic

      That's intersectionals Obv. Radfems often are Marxist.

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    2. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Intersectionalism includes class analysis. Radfems are just updated 2nd wavers, basically

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @apeirophobic

      It should do. In practice , it often focuses on race & gender identity & neglects class coz then white men cld be disadvantaged too.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      It's an ideology. If people apply its foundations wrong, that's not really the ideology failing, but people co-opting it for an agenda.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @apeirophobic

      Has Crenshaw focused much on class apart from when affecting ppl with a marginalised identity?

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    6. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Not that I have seen. This class inclusive intersectionalism is mostly happening in progressive left, Socialist, Marxist, Anarchist circles.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @apeirophobic

      Ah. You're from that school of thought. It was Crenshaw who coined the term & then critical race theory & it is this branch I refer to.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @apeirophobic

      Did the radical left have their own definition of intersectionality from the start or did it adopt the term & apply it more fully?

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    9. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      For a lot of these center-leftists, discussion of class is not only taboo because of ID politics, but also because they are capitalist.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @apeirophobic

      I think we have a different conception of centre-leftism. I see the radical left & the PoMo left as 'far' but different branches of far.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @apeirophobic

      And the centre/moderate left (me) as old-style universal liberals with a more culturally libertarian but economically leftist bent.

      7:42 PM - 8 Apr 2017
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        2. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 8 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I think this is why two-axis spectrum is better. Mixing up left-right dichotomy with libertarian-authoritarian dichotomy creates confusion.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
          Replying to @apeirophobic

          But it is the political reality. Its the Left that's been screwed up by identity politics and cultural relativity.

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        4. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 8 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Seems more a problem for centrists than the far left. On the far left, identity politics are widely reviled and relativism not even present.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
          Replying to @apeirophobic

          The radical far-left. Identity politics and relativism is the other far-left. The centrists also revile them.

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        6. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 8 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Those who are practicing ID politics and relativism here are not economically left. They are often even center-right, like Hillary.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
          Replying to @apeirophobic

          No. I tend to say 'economic far-left' and 'identitarian far-left.'

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        8. Daniel Baryon‏ @apeirophobic 8 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Oh, to me you cannot be left if you are not economically left. It only denotes an economic stance, nothing else.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 8 Apr 2017
          Replying to @apeirophobic

          OK but if we are to talk, we need to understand each other. You probably wouldn't consider me Left.

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