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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @jackcrafty

      is allowing husbands to beat wives a subjective moral evaluation? can you objectively say its wrong? at what point can you ?

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @Zambrijc @jackcrafty

      We need to set a premise that harming human beings is generally wrong. Doesn't exist objectively. Universe doesn't care.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @jackcrafty

      so you're not a harris-ian on ethics?

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @Zambrijc @jackcrafty

      He sets a premise regarding the wellbeing of conscious creatures. I share it. It's not objective. It's humanist.

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    5. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @jackcrafty

      i don't think his premise is arbitrary. i also know that doesn't mean that human prosperity is some ultimate goal of the universe either

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @Zambrijc @jackcrafty

      There can be a variety of coherent moral positions & no objective marker to measure them by. Not so for facts.

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    7. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @jackcrafty

      well harris' argument is that values reduce down to facts about the universe

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @Zambrijc @jackcrafty

      No, he says there are real facts to be known abt human wellbeing but first we have to prioritise human wellbeing in a secular way.

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    9. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @jackcrafty

      what is the well-being of conscious creatures if not a set of facts about the universe? /2

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @Zambrijc @jackcrafty

      But we still have to decide to prioritise the wellbeing of conscious creatures. Universe doesn't tell us to do that. Humanism does.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Zambrijc @jackcrafty

      We set the premise first. Then look for facts to inform us how best to do go about it.

      1:21 PM - 2 Apr 2017
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        2. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jackcrafty

          'who's to say that we should prioritize principles of matter & energy in the study of chemistry?' my religious text says 'god did it'.../2

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @Zambrijc @jackcrafty

          I don't know what you mean. I agree with Harris. We prioritise humans coz were human not coz its objectively moral

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        4. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jackcrafty

          i disagree. i think morality is objective. that can seem self-serving, but isn't necessarily, (we could extend morality to animals, etc.)

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @Zambrijc @jackcrafty

          Then we're talking past each other & have different meanings of objective

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        1. John Zambri‏ @Zambrijc 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @jackcrafty

          i think a harrisian response would be that we are doing the same thing in every other area of discourse...for example...1/

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