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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

      Would he disagree with the wine bottles & tennis ball example?

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    2. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

      Yes. Knowledge is created by conjecture and criticism. Observation or experiment never confirms theory 100%. Can only refute.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

      So we can only assume that bigger things don't fit inside smaller things coz every time it's been tried, it's failed?

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    4. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

      Because past observations don’t logically include conclusions about future observations.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

      But this is very tedious & only needs to be acknowledged once. We can still use induction to attain usable knowledge & function.

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    6. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

      I would disagree on that. Rejecting induction is the key to solving some thorny (and very tedious) problems/misconceptions in the humanities

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

      Can you give an example? Can I not assume that if B is taller than A & C is taller than B, C is taller than A?

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    8. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

      Lets make it concrete, see here this example Popper gives. Taken from Monnerjahn 2016pic.twitter.com/rxKnodkFaw

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

      I think we might be talking about different things.

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    10. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

      Yes, what you were doing there is deduction.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

      Yes, I suppose I was in that example but tennis balls & wine bottles consistently not fitting? I think we agree re: the above.

      7:09 AM - 2 Apr 2017
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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

          IOW, there are constants we can rely on for practical purposes whilst still holding provisionally but ppl often assume constants wrongly?

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        2. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

          And it could hold because this hypothesis was too vague to be useful. We can imagine make a very large wine bottle.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

          We could change the criteria, yes. OK, I'm not even sure what we're disagreeing on any more.

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        4. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

          Ok, here is the thing. In humanities ‘induction’ is used to justify general claims. That is as harmful as postmodernist philosophers.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

          We agree on that.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

          Its also inconsistent and ideologically loaded. Statistics on gender & violent crime justify demonising men but stats on Islam & illiberal..

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

          ...values is something only brought up by racists. The two uses of the poisoned candy analogy shows this inconsistency.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @JCMaas @BaileyNagy

          But we can, and in fact must, make working assumptions to function & know anything. Must just acknowledge that's what they are.

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        9. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

          That is exactly what makes it different from induction.

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        1. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

          the hypothesis may hold, but not because there were few cases that confirmed it. It may hold because it won’t be refuted.

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        1. Jort Maas‏ @JCMaas 2 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @BaileyNagy

          Induction did not really happen. What happened was that a conjecture was tested provisionally on a small dataset.

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