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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @Jovangnr

      If they're ideologues, they're true believers too

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    2. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      well, not altogether. The ideology might simply be anti system and pomo is the tool

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    3. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @Jovangnr @HPluckrose

      *some

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    4. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @Jovangnr @HPluckrose

      sorta like: >we need X system, but 2 do it we must put down the current order by any means. >Pomo==tool 2 undermine rationality

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @Jovangnr

      They don't suggest a replacement. They don't believe in systems

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    6. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      so, lets say, communism isn't a system?

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @Jovangnr

      Why would we say that? It was a primary aim for demolition by postmodernists

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    8. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      yet many are Marxists? I'm not talking about state socialism, but the end goal

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @Jovangnr

      Postmodernists? No. Anti-Marxism is central. One of the things it reacted against. Marxists oppose them hugely too.

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    10. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      so academia dominated by postmodernist stances, say in social sciences, humanities as it is today is in general anti Marxist?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
      Replying to @Jovangnr

      Yes. See how the intersectionals go for the radfems? And the Marxist left attacks identity politics left?

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          And the current identity politics ppl neglect class in their analysis cos they'd have to care abt working class men?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          They're anti capitalism too but not replacing this with marxism

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        4. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          well, they believe the "narrative" is what's keeping people from getting to communist bliss

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
          Replying to @Jovangnr

          Communists do. Not ppl who think communist bliss is actually oppressive system

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        6. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          do those people weight in individualism or acknowledge inherent nature of man? If so that's fascinating?

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
          Replying to @Jovangnr

          No. But this doesn't mean they support communism

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        8. Dark‏ @Jovangnr 30 Mar 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          ok but what don't they support? The end goal or the method?

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 30 Mar 2017
          Replying to @Jovangnr

          Please read the thing I sent.

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        2. Mitch Evers‏ @KipIsLekkerME 1 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          This is interesting, are there examples of Marxist academics attacking identity-pol left?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Apr 2017
          Replying to @KipIsLekkerME

          http://www.communistvoice.org/15cPostmodern.html … http://www.fifthinternational.org/content/marxism-versus-postmodernism … https://www.amazon.co.uk/Against-Postmodernism-Critique-Alex-Callinicos-x/dp/0745606148 … Also see Nick Cohen's What's Left.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @KipIsLekkerME

          Postmodernists, particularly Lyotard, attacked Marxism specifically. It was a main target. However, re: 'academics' important to note...

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @KipIsLekkerME

          ... a central criticism of PoMo by Marxists is that it enabled an intellectual elite to dominate Leftism rather than working class thinkers

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose @KipIsLekkerME

          Before this, Leftist thought was not centred in the universities. The version that exists there now, they say, is bourgeois pseudo-leftism.

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        7. Mitch Evers‏ @KipIsLekkerME 1 Apr 2017
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Very interesting, I'll look more into this. Thank you very much!

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Apr 2017
          Replying to @KipIsLekkerME

          @icarianne2 knows most about Marxist criticism of postmodernism and might be able to recommend some good sources. :)

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