In short, I would not say that postmodernists are destroying the West, but the idea of universal emancipation
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I'd disagree. A new form of authoritarianism born of postmodernism is at the root of it.Not much emancipation going on. Limiting
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That is my point. Postmodernism was never about emancipation in my opinion
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Have I suggested it is? I thought I'd been clear it was authoritarian & restrictive and anti-liberal.
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you do say it is revolutionary and leftist.... Many don't see it as leftist because it is uninterested in equality and progress.
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And I have also argued this! They do tho! They come from this tradition but apply it horribly.
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a narrative that presents the Enlightenment as oppressive as you know
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So we go all Foucauldian and change the history so it doesn't seem that way?
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they are revolutionary in ways very similarto how fascists were revolutionaries.
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Yes. Nick Cohen is good on this. Let's untag Kenan as he's not part of this convo!
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the thing is, if we believe that Enlightenment ideals are universal (that is how Enlightenment philo saw it)...
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What do you mean? They're not. Much of the world has never embraced it. They just include universalism.
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I disagree!!! Anti-colonialists were driven by Enlightenment ideals! Kenan writes about that all the time!
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Yes but they're not universal either!
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Elightenment philosophers consider their ideals to be universal
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They apply them universally. They don't believe everyone holds them
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that it is Western.
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Well, it was a western phenomenon. It is how we got liberal democracy. Of course people opposed & still do.
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And of course, the rest of the world has liberals and rationalists but its what the pomos reacted against.
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while influenced by Nietzsche and stuff he wrote on irrational not influenced by Bataille like French
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Sounds like you know more about Frankfurt School than I do.
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possibly. I think I read them more than the French. They engage analytical philosophy and philosophy of science much more
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Pomos are well-known for often being quite ignorant of philosophy & science! David Detmer good on this.
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