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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017

    @kenanmalik I cited your wonderful recent piece on the spread of postmodernism in my look at its roots & developmenthttps://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/comment-page-1/#comment-403 …

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      2. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @kenanmalik

        In short, I would not say that postmodernists are destroying the West, but the idea of universal emancipation

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2

        I'd disagree. A new form of authoritarianism born of postmodernism is at the root of it.Not much emancipation going on. Limiting

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      4. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That is my point. Postmodernism was never about emancipation in my opinion

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2

        Have I suggested it is? I thought I'd been clear it was authoritarian & restrictive and anti-liberal.

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      6. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        you do say it is revolutionary and leftist.... Many don't see it as leftist because it is uninterested in equality and progress.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2

        And I have also argued this! They do tho! They come from this tradition but apply it horribly.

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      8. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        a narrative that presents the Enlightenment as oppressive as you know

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2

        So we go all Foucauldian and change the history so it doesn't seem that way?

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      2. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @kenanmalik

        they are revolutionary in ways very similarto how fascists were revolutionaries.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2 @kenanmalik

        Yes. Nick Cohen is good on this. Let's untag Kenan as he's not part of this convo! #Sorry

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      4. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @kenanmalik

        the thing is, if we believe that Enlightenment ideals are universal (that is how Enlightenment philo saw it)...

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2

        What do you mean? They're not. Much of the world has never embraced it. They just include universalism.

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      6. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I disagree!!! Anti-colonialists were driven by Enlightenment ideals! Kenan writes about that all the time!

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2

        Yes but they're not universal either!

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      8. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Elightenment philosophers consider their ideals to be universal

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2

        They apply them universally. They don't believe everyone holds them

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      2. Maxi Mini‏ @icarianne2 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @kenanmalik

        that it is Western.

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @icarianne2 @kenanmalik

        Well, it was a western phenomenon. It is how we got liberal democracy. Of course people opposed & still do.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @icarianne2 @kenanmalik

        And of course, the rest of the world has liberals and rationalists but its what the pomos reacted against.

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      2. pumpernickel bear‏ @cwharlow 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose @kenanmalik @AreoMagazine

        while influenced by Nietzsche and stuff he wrote on irrational not influenced by Bataille like French

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @cwharlow

        Sounds like you know more about Frankfurt School than I do.

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      4. pumpernickel bear‏ @cwharlow 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        possibly. I think I read them more than the French. They engage analytical philosophy and philosophy of science much more

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 27 Mar 2017
        Replying to @cwharlow

        Pomos are well-known for often being quite ignorant of philosophy & science! David Detmer good on this.

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