I think that's natural conclusion to what these men are hearing.
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Replying to @tjaffry @HPluckrose
'If women are discouraged from STEM/business, let's encourage them to go into these' is where they're at I guess.
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Replying to @tjaffry
Yes, but they won't settle for 'let's make sure it's clear everyone is welcome'. Told they must be shaped & re-educated.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I'm with you but the rhetoric suggests women lack agency, they choose what they choose because of conditioning.
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Replying to @tjaffry
Exactly. Not sure why there's a 'but', this is exactly what I am saying.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
lol, I was just trying to argue from these guys POV and 1 tweet turned into 3. I hope the point was comprehensible.
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Replying to @tjaffry
I think your point is the same as mine. If women are discouraged, take steps to encourage. Don't try to push them into it.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
what you'd call pushing they'd call encouragement.
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Replying to @tjaffry
No, honestly. The words 'shaping women' were used & an argument made that they'd be morally wrong not to do chemical engineering.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Basically that's ok cause fighting the default patriarchy on behalf of poor, unfortunate women and the whole world against them.
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Yep. The social conditioning idea has gone way beyond reasonable analysis of expectations & into women being mindless receptacles.
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