Is it somehow unclear that claiming reasoned debate to be the realm of straight, white men is bigoted against absolutely everyone else?
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Being pestered & abused on multiple accounts is horrible. Not primarily associated with ppl who like debate. Fanatical dogpiling ideologues
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The only person I know who was the victim of a targetted & sustained campaign of online intimidation was the victim of a psycho feminist.
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Which goes to show that we need to target anti-social or harmful behaviour,not identity groups. I'm sure we, as a society, had realised this
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I had a stalker who made 14 accounts to harass me before giving up. Didn't think I shld criticise religion. That shldn't be up for debate.
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Things like 'criticising Islamism' & 'talking abt trans identity & gendered spaces' appear next to 'being able to shoot unarmed black ppl'
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There are some debates which are considered satisfactorily resolved for nearly everyone but they shld still be able to be talked about.
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The tendency to think other topics which are clearly very current & widely disputed should be closed is chiefly what's undermining the left.
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Particularly, debates around Islam/Islamism/Muslims & trans identity/acceptance/equality are far from resolved culturally & need discussing.
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These need to be won on the grounds of ideas. For me, consistently liberal ones which include individual freedoms are paramount.
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I think those ones will win. Most ppl are not ideological extremists. They tend to want a general fairness & to be left alone.
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Some ppl want to discriminate against certain identity groups & some ppl want to decide what everyone else is allowed to think & say.
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But most people just want everyone held to the same basic standard of behaviour tho we differ on what that is. Not as much as is claimed.
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When ppl complain abt the left or the right, most of the time they're complaining about double standards & authoritarianism.
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Or singling out certain groups to demonise. A strong centre which values consistency, equal opportunities & freedom could win the day.
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Very easy to say. Harder to work out the details. But a failure to value & aim for these things undermines public confidence in any position
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congratulations on earning yourself a click of the mute button :)
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What's happening there? Wasn't sure if he was serious or ironic; showing women who can & do win debates on a daily basis.
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Maybe. Too much exposure to jerks? Unmuted just in case :)
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