Ppl in the west advocating collectivism over individualism often complain about everybody being against them. This seems incompatible.
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Surely, this everyone who doesn't accept their socially conservative ideas abt gender & sexuality is a collective & they're defying it.
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They should join the collective & conform to it whether they like it or not. Instead they propose another one that suits them.
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And then justify making everyone else conform to that.
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I find socially conservative collectivists often laud tribal collectivism while deploring SocJus as if unaware this a tribal collective.
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And that their horror of being forced to conform to this is very similar to how liberals feel about their (usually) religious collectives.
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I had a Muslim arguing this very sincerely recently. Quoting Jonathan Haidt a lot abt collectivism being larger, older & better tested.
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And needing to stop thinking in western terms abt liberalism & individualism being better & consider it.
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However, he lived in America & had a real problem with what he saw as its collective values in relation to gender roles & LGBT acceptance.
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Particularly, them being pushed on him by having to see and hear them everywhere & being criticised for his own views.
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He saw no contradiction between his own sense of being pressured into collective values & advocacy of this but in the form of Islam. V odd.
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I get this from very conservative Christians too but they don't usually quote Haidt.
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing your observations and thoughts.
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