Ppl in the west advocating collectivism over individualism often complain about everybody being against them. This seems incompatible.
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And that their horror of being forced to conform to this is very similar to how liberals feel about their (usually) religious collectives.
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I had a Muslim arguing this very sincerely recently. Quoting Jonathan Haidt a lot abt collectivism being larger, older & better tested.
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And needing to stop thinking in western terms abt liberalism & individualism being better & consider it.
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However, he lived in America & had a real problem with what he saw as its collective values in relation to gender roles & LGBT acceptance.
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Particularly, them being pushed on him by having to see and hear them everywhere & being criticised for his own views.
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He saw no contradiction between his own sense of being pressured into collective values & advocacy of this but in the form of Islam. V odd.
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I get this from very conservative Christians too but they don't usually quote Haidt.
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing your observations and thoughts.
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Conservatives and progressives should recognize that both believe in a politics of solidarity through community institutions.
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They just disagree on what those institutions should be. It's allyship and unions vs church and military.
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So much blasphemy & heresy & forbidden language and ritual and hierarchy. Its the same human tribal impulse all over.
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Yup. And both are (in different ways) hostile to the university because evidence is always a risk to threaten their order.
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Totally. So weird they don't see they are peas in the same pod.
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