Let's park slavery. But no modesty standards at all? Anywhere. None?
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Replying to @cek0001 @IonaItalia and
There can be norms to have privates covered but not gender-specif 'modesty'
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Replying to @HPluckrose @IonaItalia and
Seems a reasonable approach until an 'all or nothing solution' is pressed
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Replying to @cek0001 @HPluckrose and
there's no all or nothing just not targeting women and leaving them to choose
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In a nutshell. If nudity or wetsuits become a norm for everyone on beaches & not coz of modesty, fine
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That seems ambitious & maybe not because possible in my lifetime Fallback - achieve broad alignments
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Difference between principles & practicalities. Can oppose gendered modesty on principle.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @cek0001 and
We may have considerable success in undermining it or very little but its OK to keep saying its bad thing
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Replying to @HPluckrose @cek0001 and
We wldn't say, for eg, that it'll be hard to stop persecution of LGBT so compromise on how bad that is.
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Agree, but we should equally recognise ineffective/counterproductive steps to (not) achieving aims
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Yes. Lets not confuse pragmatics with principles.
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