OK. But I must insist: no modesty codes 4 women. No sacrificing our freedom
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That seems ambitious & maybe not because possible in my lifetime Fallback - achieve broad alignments
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Difference between principles & practicalities. Can oppose gendered modesty on principle.
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We may have considerable success in undermining it or very little but its OK to keep saying its bad thing
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We wldn't say, for eg, that it'll be hard to stop persecution of LGBT so compromise on how bad that is.
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We can mandate choice & outlaw harassment or violence that denies it. After that,its abt critiquing ideas
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as long as ppl are free to do other one. It is specifically unequal notions of modesty I'm concerned abt
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i agree because when unequal notions of modesty starts it only keeps increasing
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