Despite today's trafficking people aren't property not since Wilberforce
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Seems a reasonable approach until an 'all or nothing solution' is pressed
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there's no all or nothing just not targeting women and leaving them to choose
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In a nutshell. If nudity or wetsuits become a norm for everyone on beaches & not coz of modesty, fine
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That seems ambitious & maybe not because possible in my lifetime Fallback - achieve broad alignments
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Difference between principles & practicalities. Can oppose gendered modesty on principle.
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We may have considerable success in undermining it or very little but its OK to keep saying its bad thing
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We wldn't say, for eg, that it'll be hard to stop persecution of LGBT so compromise on how bad that is.
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We can mandate choice & outlaw harassment or violence that denies it. After that,its abt critiquing ideas
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Deciding the norms & avoiding Wests lowest common denominator is tough
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Let's not avoid the wests lowest common denominator. Lets make restrictions as few as poss
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yes also as person living in a country where dress codes heavily target women
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dress codes create society where even woman arm or ankle is considered sexual
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