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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Eve Keneinan 𝛗 ☦️ن‏ @EveKeneinan 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @EveKeneinan @HPluckrose @DoneReasoning

      @iwpoe “An instinct to deny we are mammals” seems PATENTLY ABSURD as a claim about human beings.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning @iwpoe

      Lol. Referring to psychological denial of animal status. 'Animals' referred to as tho humans aren't.

      5 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

      Wish for privacy for certain biological functions. Dualism. Great chain of being. Bestial being negative etc.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

      Ppl don't literally deny mammalian properties. They can't. They present animal status, carnality, biology as bad

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

      Then you don't *literally* have an argument? A wink and a nudge is not an actual claim.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @iwpoe @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

      We know they do this. We see it.

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    7. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

      This is, for reason's Eve is gesturing at, a vast misunderstanding. Plato, e.g. both defined us ->

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    8. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @iwpoe @HPluckrose and

      *as* animals (of a kind) and pointed out ways in which we differ from *other* animals morally. ->

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    9. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @iwpoe @HPluckrose and

      To claim we are *different* from other animals (we are) is in no way to infer that we aren't animals

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    10. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @iwpoe @HPluckrose and

      I can literally think of no major philosophical thinker who was willing to claim we weren't animals.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
      Replying to @iwpoe @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

      But very many who divided the spiritual from the bestial. Augustine springs to mind. Sapientia & scientia

      3:43 PM - 19 Dec 2016
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        2. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          It depends what you mean. "The spiritual" very particularly defined *is* our specific difference.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @iwpoe @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          I'd say brains were. Yes. And consistently see a need to mortify the flesh & strengthen the spirit.

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        4. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          No one today or in the past is referring to "brains" when they speak of "the spirit". The...

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @iwpoe @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          No. Often ppl thought the heart was where spiritual experiences happened. Neuroscience is new.

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        6. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          Um, sort of. But most recognized that the body was *necessary* for human thought as lived.

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @iwpoe @DoneReasoning

          But corrupt. To be overcome. See saint's lives particularly.Virgins, barely ate or slept &this was supremely spiritual

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @iwpoe @DoneReasoning

          But we've diverged a lot from the main point which was actually a lot simpler.A squeamishness abt most basic functions

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @iwpoe @DoneReasoning

          which are spoken of in terms of bestiality - lowering to basest nature.

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        2. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          And I would point out that even if this were so *and* false, it would not follow that ->

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        3. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @iwpoe @HPluckrose and

          it would in no way follow that "transcendence" *as such* would be false also. Requires more argument

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @iwpoe @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          There are many religious & secular transcendence stories, truth or falseness of which are separate issues

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          Well absolutely, but I'm rather confused. We have today sci-fi stories many of which are silly. ->

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        6. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @iwpoe @HPluckrose and

          Should I infer from the general way you mention narrative that I should conclude something about ->

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        7. iwpoe‏ @iwpoe 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @iwpoe @HPluckrose and

          the content of science today from silly sci fi stores? If not, then what am I to conclude?

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @iwpoe @EveKeneinan @DoneReasoning

          Human psychology! The desire to transcend our animal bodies & be pure mind/spirit/soul. Various forms.

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 19 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @iwpoe and

          The 'truth' I am getting at is the common desire to transcend carnality & be immortal in spirit/mind form

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