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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      That's what we'd argue, yes. But they cld say "Kill one person & he's no longer suffering. 6 ppl using his organs aren't either'

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    2. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      they would have to have 0 empathy for the person being killed which is immoral. It's never seem a rational argument to me.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      Or perhaps they have empathy for the 6 suffering from organ failure & rationalise that dead ppl can't suffer so better overall.

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    4. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      yeah...but dead

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      Yes. Is one person dead better or worse than six people suffering horribly?

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    6. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I'd say they are independent instances of well-being that can not be compared.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      Why? Logically?

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    8. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      because it is not moral to knowingly decrease someone else's well-being.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      To increase that of multiple others? You'd need to break this down logically. Can you? I can't. You 'feel' it is wrong. So do I.

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    10. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      remember this is an evolved trait. Doesn't have to be logical. It just has to work.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      Then its not objectively moral. Not everyone feels this way. It varies in different situations. It can't be justified logically

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        2. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          how do you justify logically livers?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @toxicpath

          That doesn't make any sense. We're justifying killing one to save many or letting many die to preserve one & ethics thereof.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @toxicpath

          But I'm bored now. Point was, many arguments on best way to achieve human wellbeing & we'll be arguing them forever.

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        5. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          true. But st bottom they are all science fiction scenarios or problems we have solved, like not harvesting organs.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @toxicpath

          We're going round in circles. Does that make it right? Our intuitions? Which have varied in time & place? No.

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        7. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          our evolved intuitions is all we have. There is nothing else.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @toxicpath

          And clearly they vary or we wouldn't be having these arguments for ever. Cultural differences. Historical differences.

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        9. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'd say that's the minority of cases. In the great majority it is easy to tell what is the most moral course of action.

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