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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @toxicpath

      Whereas 6 people were suffering & one person was well, now 6 people are well & one is dead but not suffering. The moral choice.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @toxicpath

      We would disagree because *as well as* wellbeing, we think every individual has the right to pursue own happiness unhindered.

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    3. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      the fact we don't don't this already tells you we've solved this one.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      WEIRD societies have. Historically, no. In other parts of the world, no. Sacrifice to the group is also a human thing.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @toxicpath

      I am in favour of the rights of the individual but this is intuitive rather than logical. So its not objectively morally right.

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    6. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I don't think it's intuitive because we are individuals.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      Then explain logically why its better to preserve one person than save six?

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    8. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      because you can't decrease the well-being of one person to increase that of others.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      That's an assertion not a logical argument.

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    10. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      it is a logical argument if you define morality as avoiding decreases, or maximizing well-being of individuals

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
      Replying to @toxicpath

      But you have to justify logically why that is the best premise.

      12:51 PM - 10 Dec 2016
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        2. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I'm pretty sure now the problem is approaching this like physics and not like biology, which it is after all.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @toxicpath

          I have no physics. Arguing for maximising well-being and different perspectives on this.

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        4. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          we argue that maximizing well-being is a better goal. That's all you need to do.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @toxicpath

          But we'd have to accept different perspectives on this exist and we need to argue for them.

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        2. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          not really. It can include historical contrivances and just random luck. Logic has nothing to do with it.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @toxicpath

          OK, well you've now ruled out logic so you'll have to argue why its best to do that. Do you see my point? Many possible premises.

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        4. Somite of the Devil’s Backbone‏ @toxicpath 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I don't think there are many if you claim your goal is moral.

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 10 Dec 2016
          Replying to @toxicpath

          Then I have failed to show how different arguments would work for maximising wellbeing in different ways. Thought I was clear.

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