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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Knowledge Pursuer‏ @knwledgepursuer 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Fair enough, I am interested in both the abstract principles and the practical (non-idealistic) reality

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @knwledgepursuer

      Me too. I tend to focus a bit too much on principles & not enough on practicality sometimes.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @knwledgepursuer

      But I think with things like freedom of speech, you have to think situationally. It simply can't exist everywhere.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @knwledgepursuer

      Or you'd have ppl discussing torture porn in primary schools, basket-weaving at medical conventions, no work getting done.

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    5. Knowledge Pursuer‏ @knwledgepursuer 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      My concern is just making sure RELEVANT(environment appropriate) views are not being censored/punished

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @knwledgepursuer

      Exactly. So if we try to apply freedom of speech principles to things which have many other factors, doesn't work.

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    7. Knowledge Pursuer‏ @knwledgepursuer 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I wouldn't regard talking about 'basket-weaving at medical conventions' as a free speech issue though

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @knwledgepursuer

      It was one that was brought up to justify no-platforming certain feminists. U wldn't have non-scientists speak at sci conf

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    9. Knowledge Pursuer‏ @knwledgepursuer 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I agree, the only related free speech issue with a science conf. would be no-platforming a scientist due to offensive theories

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @knwledgepursuer

      Yes. Ppl try to apply it where the actual issue is something else. Here relevance not offence.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose @knwledgepursuer

      Re: immigration, concern abt changing culture & law caused by illiberal voters, not whether what they say is offensive.

      3:53 AM - 9 Dec 2016
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        2. Knowledge Pursuer‏ @knwledgepursuer 9 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Offence wouldn't be the issue but PUNISHMENT for opinions if an individual illiberal immigrant was denied citizenship would be

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
          Replying to @knwledgepursuer

          Only if you don't think people's values are something a country has the right to judge in considering citizenship.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose @knwledgepursuer

          We could say we PUNISH potential immigrants for not being in danger coz we prioritise those who are.

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        5. Knowledge Pursuer‏ @knwledgepursuer 9 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          That would not be about their opinions though. It would not be a violation of principle of free speech

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
          Replying to @knwledgepursuer

          It still isn't.We're not excluding them for what they say but what they might vote in, how they might live & affect others

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        7. Knowledge Pursuer‏ @knwledgepursuer 9 Dec 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Which may not be freedom of speech but it is about freedom of thought/belief/conscience

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        8. Knowledge Pursuer‏ @knwledgepursuer 9 Dec 2016
          Replying to @knwledgepursuer @HPluckrose

          Which is related to freedom of speech

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 9 Dec 2016
          Replying to @knwledgepursuer

          Not in the sense that I am upholding.I'm just fine with vetting ppl to avoid increasing the religious right in a democracy

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