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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016

    I'm almost convinced that libertarianism is a personality trait above all else but this undermined by libertarians with v authoritarian gods

    4:11 AM - 1 Dec 2016
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      2.  🦇 Liggi  🦇‏ @Liggi 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Those people don't see their gods as authoritarian in a "micro-manage" sort of way. Just a "here's a framework" way. Maybe?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Liggi

        I'm talking abt the ones with authoritarian gods. Specifically, gods who punish those with different views with eternal Hell.

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      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Liggi

        These seem opposed to authoritarianism politically among humans but not psychologically or philosophically in any consistent way.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5.  🦇 Liggi  🦇‏ @Liggi 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That's it, I think. Authoritarianism from humans = bad, from God = fine.

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      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Liggi

        Exactly. This undermines my idea that libertarianism is primarily a character trait. A psychological thing.pic.twitter.com/XuafGBIYGf

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      7.  🦇 Liggi  🦇‏ @Liggi 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I think it is a psychological trait. It just applies to social interactions, not "divine" ones. They are of a different nature.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @Liggi

        Then is it a psychological *trait?* Valuing freedom & individualism & disliking authority?Ppl create gods who agree with them usually

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Liggi

        Someone driven to seek freedom & individualism & reject authority cld believe an authoritarian god existed but be happy about it?

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      2. Kisanet Beyene‏ @KisanetBeyene77 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Jordan Peterson has done research on personality traits and politics - libertarians probably score high on openness in the big 5

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @KisanetBeyene77

        So the ppl who believe in & justify a god who punishes ppl for thinking the wrong thing are #NoTrueLibertarians?

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      4. Kisanet Beyene‏ @KisanetBeyene77 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        No they're true libertarians. You can believe that and still be pretty open and accepting of other religions and points of view.

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @KisanetBeyene77

        But can you be libertarian and personally think its morally justifiable to punish ppl for wrongthink?

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      6. Kisanet Beyene‏ @KisanetBeyene77 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I thought you were referring to the abstract realm of the soul, not the real political world.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @KisanetBeyene77

        Talking abt psychology, philosophy, personal ethics, yes. I see an inconsistency if libertarianism is a psych trait.

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      8. Kisanet Beyene‏ @KisanetBeyene77 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm an atheist living in a small town surrounded on all sides by devout Catholics who I'm sure think I will be burning in hell

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      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @KisanetBeyene77

        Are the libertarians tho?

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      2. Martin O'Reilly‏ @oreil_m 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmz10uQsTYE …

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @oreil_m

        Oh wow! Thanks!

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      2. Saint‏ @SaintTzu 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Have you seen/heard @JonHaidt's recent lecture on Socialism and human nature? (spoiler: your intuitions seem sound)

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 1 Dec 2016
        Replying to @SaintTzu

        No but it is the writing of @JonHaidt which makes me wonder this.

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