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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Locke

      Which is absolutely the point of any conversation abt whether or not child sex abuse is acceptable. That's not every conversation.https://twitter.com/Locke1689/status/800351935190568961 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Locke @Locke1689
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      I am just trying to get them to accept child sex abuse is evil
      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    2. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But it is relevant on how much moral credibility sex abusers have.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
      Replying to @Locke1689

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

      https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/800353354790506499 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

      Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
      Replying to @HPluckrose
      Its much like ppl who make every conversation abt Trump to do with the evils of 'pussy grabbing' & therefore end conversation w Trump voters
      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      You get people to accept Mohammed sometimes was immoral, a lot can follow from that.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
      Replying to @Locke1689

      Which is relevant to conversations abt whether Muhammad was immoral but many other conversations exist.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      But most other convos with Muslims hit barrier of "but Mohammed's revelation says X". So you need to bring in his credibility.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
      Replying to @Locke1689

      Which brings me back to my first tweet. "God exists/does not exist" "Muhammad is great/evil" shutting down wider conversation.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      My point is, it doesn't. Usually Aisha's age argument forces them to accept either Mo was imperfect or Hadith inaccurate.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
      Replying to @Locke1689

      .@Locke1689 You find that making every conversation re: Islam about paedophilia facilitates wider conversation abt tolerance & co-existence?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016

      .@Locke1689 I find it makes people rage at each other on this one topic and never get to the wider ones at all.

      7:30 AM - 20 Nov 2016 from Loughton, East
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          eg,In what way will 'Muhammad was perfect/a paedophile' assist a conversation abt whether faith schools increase radicalisation? @Locke1689

          1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
        3. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Because it forces people to reject a fundamentalist view of Islam, for one where the Hadith or Mohammed had mistakes.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @Locke1689

          Except they're more likely to say you don't understand Islam and go away.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. End of conversation
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        2. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Tell me, how do most lay Muslims deal with Hadith claim Mohammed had sex with a nine year old? How do they explain it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @Locke1689

          They say he didn't.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I mean Sahih al-Bukhari is pretty explicit about it... so how can they defend that?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @Locke1689

          I'm sure you know the apologism better than I do. I find they more often stop talking. I'd just like to have other conversations.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I understand where you're coming from, but Christianity didn't moderate because of softly-softly approach but of fierce assault

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @Locke1689

          OK, I'm still going to have conversations with believing Muslims about other things.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. End of conversation
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        2. Slender Skeptic‏ @SlenderSkeptic 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          If @Locke1689 distracts those who are hung up on that issue, it leaves you free to address the more mindful ones, @HPluckrose

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @SlenderSkeptic

          Your refusal to engage certain criticisms of Islam makes you very unmindful, unlike @HPluckrose

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Slender Skeptic‏ @SlenderSkeptic 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @Locke1689

          I am not refusing to engage. I was clearly saying both of your approaches have merit. @Locke1689 @HPluckrose

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @SlenderSkeptic @HPluckrose

          You were saying people who want to make abuse argument are less mindful.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Slender Skeptic‏ @SlenderSkeptic 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @Locke1689 @HPluckrose

          no, I am saying muslims who are hung up on this are less mindful, I made no comment on those of us who interdict them

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Locke‏ @Locke1689 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @SlenderSkeptic @HPluckrose

          Ok. Apologies for misinterpreting.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Slender Skeptic‏ @SlenderSkeptic 20 Nov 2016
          Replying to @Locke1689 @HPluckrose

          sorry for being confusing.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. End of conversation

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