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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016

      1) Interesting & encouraging thing happened at my daughter's school. 12 yr old boy called a girl a 'slut' & consequences were rather severe.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      2) Being kept in at break times for a week and if he uses that word again, he will be suspended or even expelled.Girls' reaction interesting

      2 replies 4 retweets 7 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      3) My daughter tells me that they are now saying amongst themselves that they will not report this if consequences going to be so harsh.

      2 replies 7 retweets 12 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      4) They are not prepared to be in any responsible for someone getting suspended or expelled for words. This encourages me hugely.

      3 replies 5 retweets 15 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      5) I am going to tell the school their disproportionate response having the opposite effect to intended cos kids see it as disproportionate

      1 reply 6 retweets 18 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      6) Suspension or expulsion can be justified for persistent bullying but simply for the use of specific gendered words? No.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016

      7) Penalty for saying 'fuck off' or similar swear words is 1 detention so a weeks worth w threat of expulsion for 'slut' is disproportionate

      11:28 AM - 14 Nov 2016 from Islington, London
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          When England had the death penalty for stealing, this resulted in very few shopkeepers reporting theft. Didn't want it on their conscience.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          'Community justice' tended to happen instead. Authorities knew this & it didn't bother them. Peace was the aim rather than justice.

          2 replies 3 retweets 9 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          If we actually want justice, punishments need to be proportionate or ppl won't call on the justice system. Seems even kids feel this.

          2 replies 6 retweets 16 likes
        5. Some Body‏ @KevinOnEarth 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I know it's only me, but the whole concept of #punishment is archaic & => failure. Softly takes longer but is deeper/broader.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @KevinOnEarth

          Its innate to us.

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        7. Some Body‏ @KevinOnEarth 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I disagree. :) That sounds like an excuse.

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @KevinOnEarth

          Its a fact. It may well be something that we need to get over but human desire for retribution is not archaic but innate.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          8) BTW, the word was not used in any literal sense. Not a comment on sexuality or dress etc. Just a random insult.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          9) If it was bullying abt sexuality etc,this wld be more serious.But they're 12.Sexuality is hardly a thing yet.Giggling abt who 'loves' who

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        2. Micvicster‏ @micvicster 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I would say it's the sexually implication rather than swearing, even if it is lost on the students

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @micvicster

          I don't think they know its meant to be traumatising coz they've not yet been taught that girls/women can't cope with this.

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        4. Gideon Moss‏ @egonotis 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I guess they do now. @micvicster

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        5. Micvicster‏ @micvicster 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @egonotis @HPluckrose

          they know by now about sex and is it better to stop it now rather than later?I've 2 girls and unsure what to think

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @micvicster

          Proportion. Make it clear it can be particularly hurtful insult w/out implying girls 'honour' all tied up in chastity

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        7. Gideon Moss‏ @egonotis 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          but isn't that the reason why it's particularly hurtful? @micvicster

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @egonotis @micvicster

          Yes! So stop perpetuating it. Women feeling alienated by shirts with semi-clad cartoon women on, ffs!

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        9. Gideon Moss‏ @egonotis 14 Nov 2016
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I agree, but how can u impart a sense of why it's so hurtful w/out seeming to be buying into "honour in chastity" @micvicster

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