Must it be all or nothing? Unprincipled pragmatism is alarming &problems hard to solve without collaborative effort
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Other aims to make society work have been pragmatic & effective but included things like slavery & patriarchy so can't support
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But I see that things needing to work for everybody is central to ur pragmatism even if u don't consider this a principle.
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A solution that imposes unacceptable costs on or extracts unacceptable rent from others will fail the tests of time & experience
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Is that why the most thriving civilisations and empires have fallen tho?
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Very often, yes, political decay is at the root of decline and fall.
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Hmm. Often its because other oppressive powers have grown more powerful.
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I hope the liberal, pluralistic, secular ideal works coz I think its best for everyone but WEIRD societies are new.
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Our individualism & lack of unity might destroy us.Its a bit of an experiment.
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Perhaps all that must be accepted is the fact of pluralism, of variance in our own & others tastes, preferences, behaviors, etc.
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I think all societies have recognised this as a fact. They just vary on the extent to which they allow it.
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But does experience not suggest that secular liberalism tends to work better than oppression, that it's a good benchmark?
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Work in what sense? I argue for it cos I think it gives more ppl more rights & freedoms. Don't know if it will survive.
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"Works" in the sense of innovating more effective ways of NOT killing each other, of leveraging our cooperative capacities.
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With others who agree, yes. Still vulnerable to those who don't.
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Id go as far as to say this would work best if we cld make it work but it wld require overcoming deep tribal moralistic traits
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I think its the way forward that is best for all of us but that I'm not sure I trust my species to take it.
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