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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016

    My daughter's primary school punished kids for not praying. Head told me OK for them to pretend & think their own thoughts. That's OK then.

    12:01 PM - 5 Oct 2016
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    • Sceptical Canuck Stephanie Lahey BSR Randy StephenParry mike martin They call me "Glompy" Scot Ramsay Cooper
    12 replies 7 retweets 7 likes
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      2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        She claimed it distracted kids who do pray if other kids not bowing heads, clasped hands, eyes closed. Asked how they'd know if eyes closed.

        1 reply 2 retweets 7 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Was trying to negotiate a way my daughter cld stay in assemblies for news, awards, concerts etc w/out having to take part in worship.

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        At the very least schools shld make it clear its acceptable to be nonreligious. She feared kids who wanted to pray wld feel silly. Well...

        1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Once a boy who had a Muslim name took the vicar's asking "shall we pray?" as a genuine question & answered "I don't want to pray." Punished.

        2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This was at a parents concert so don't know if he usually attended communal worship at school & shld have known this a rhetorical question.

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Either way, I support his answering of it sincerely!

        2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Its ludicrous. 2% of Brits go to church regularly, 15% ever, but kids get 15 minutes Christian worship a day in state schools?

        2 replies 3 retweets 3 likes
      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        And its getting worse. Plans for more faith schools. The nonreligious majority here are often apathetic coz C of E is so watered down.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        It seems harmless, benign even.But it isn't.Apart from its dubious morality, it teaches kids magical thinking & discourages critical thought

        0 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      11. End of conversation
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      2. Cranky Dad‏ @DaveLaChouffe 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Punishing them? For not playing superstitious?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @DaveLaChouffe

        Yes, its part of the curriculum so they can do what they want. Parents can opt kids out but then they miss news & awards.

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      4. Cranky Dad‏ @DaveLaChouffe 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        What punishment is imposed?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @DaveLaChouffe

        They got kept in at break time for any kind of misbehaviour during assembly. Not praying was included in this.

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      6. Cranky Dad‏ @DaveLaChouffe 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        What a cheek! Completely unacceptable.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation
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      2. BSR‏ @BSR163 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        all totally outrageous. Do they forego any awards if they opt out of the religious business? Only entitled to news if you pray?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @BSR163

        That's how it worked in practice. Opted my daughter out but she begged to go back coz she was missing out on so much.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. BSR‏ @BSR163 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        surely they have no right to exclude those who dont wish to partake in the make-believe, from the rest of the school activities?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @BSR163

        Just from assembly. Parents can opt kids out of assembly coz of religious bit but they miss the rest too.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. BSR‏ @BSR163 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        that's plain unfair. I guess they'd have to think again if the majority opted out. A school assembly should really include all.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation
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      2.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        WTF. Is it a religious school or something?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @Banned_Ali

        All UK schools have to provide 15 minutes worship & they can require kids to comply with it as much as any part of curriculum.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        What the Hell. Also why should secular kids be forced to pray along? =/pic.twitter.com/j7b6sVK5R9

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @Banned_Ali

        I'm trying to get my countrymen indignant about this!

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6.  🐸not 🐸 AliRadicali‏ @Banned_Ali 5 Oct 2016
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Good. Giving students the opportunity to pray shouldn't mean forced prayer. That's just absurd.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      7. End of conversation

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