Do you not think though that the notion of ‘citizenship’ should only apply to those who do not want to destroy the country they are citizens of? ...
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Replying to @juscallmekirsty @HPluckrose
I get your point re the children, but just because it’s not their fault who their parents are, does that mean that we should willingly let potential threats back into the country?
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Replying to @juscallmekirsty
Would you normally let kids keep their citizenship if they'd had an awful childhood and were more likely than kids with good parents to commit crime?
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Replying to @HPluckrose
I know what you're saying, but I do feel like this is slightly different, because there is an ideological issue here: it's not just bad parenting, they (the parents) left the UK to join an organisation whose aim it is to destroy the UK...
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Replying to @juscallmekirsty
And that isn't the kids' fault and they don't stop being British because their parents were traitors to it. We just don't punish kids for the crimes of their parents anymore even when it's treason because we've developed a liberal ethic of individual responsibility.
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Ultimately I think that this is the main issue - should we hold kids responsible for their parents behaviour, to which the answer is obviously no...
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Replying to @juscallmekirsty @HPluckrose
However, I wonder if the relevant question here is not 'should the kids be held responsible', to 'is allowing high risk people back into the UK too great a risk, given their parentage, their upbringing, and the society they've been brought up in...'?
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Replying to @juscallmekirsty
Answering questions pragmatically without recourse to ethics results in an unethical system. We can reduce risks to society in many ways by denying rights to certain people who present higher risks but doing so would result in an unjust society which does not value the individual
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Replying to @HPluckrose @juscallmekirsty
"You were raised in a home in which sexual abuse of children was normal. We have to ask if you present too high a risk to children to have custody of yours or have any job working with children even though we have no evidence of you ever sexually abusing children."
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Replying to @HPluckrose @juscallmekirsty
There's also another ethical consideration. And that is whether it is acceptable to refuse to take back British people who pose a risk of terrorism. What if another country said it would leave its terrorists in the UK coz it'd be too risky to their own country to have them back?
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But that is a different issue. Once we start being pragmatic about which British citizens have rights and which don't based on what other people have done and not what they themselves have done, we can justify very unethical things. This would affect men & Muslims most right now.
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