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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted

      This is why I reject the idea that parents own their children to the extent that those children do not have the rights of citizens. When parents abuse & endanger their children, the state must be able to take them away and protect them as British citizens with human rights. https://twitter.com/Legal_Equality/status/1055718997071605760 …

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26

      I cannot accept that my rights are only protected because my parents decided not to beat me, mutilate me or take me to a religious war zone. I should have had the right to know that if they'd tried, my country would have recognised me as an individual with rights & protected me.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26

      I'm afraid I think the few people claiming children of British Muslims who take them to ISIS do not have the rights of British citizens are full of shit & wld instantly recognise the rights of a child of culturally Christian parents to be protected from equivalent parental abuse

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    4. Kirsty Miller‏ @juscallmekirsty Oct 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Do you not think though that the notion of ‘citizenship’ should only apply to those who do not want to destroy the country they are citizens of? ...

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    5. Kirsty Miller‏ @juscallmekirsty Oct 27
      Replying to @juscallmekirsty @HPluckrose

      I get your point re the children, but just because it’s not their fault who their parents are, does that mean that we should willingly let potential threats back into the country?

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    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27
      Replying to @juscallmekirsty

      Would you normally let kids keep their citizenship if they'd had an awful childhood and were more likely than kids with good parents to commit crime?

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    7. Kirsty Miller‏ @juscallmekirsty Oct 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I know what you're saying, but I do feel like this is slightly different, because there is an ideological issue here: it's not just bad parenting, they (the parents) left the UK to join an organisation whose aim it is to destroy the UK...

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    8. Kirsty Miller‏ @juscallmekirsty Oct 27
      Replying to @juscallmekirsty @HPluckrose

      Obviously, this is the parents' decision, but when you consider the society and the ideology the kids will have been brought up in, can we honestly say that they are not potential threats? Or that the parents will not 'force' them to be threats once they are back in the UK?

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27
      Replying to @juscallmekirsty

      No, we can't say they will not be potential threats but we have a responsibility to only punish people for the things they do, not the things their parents did. And they'll have been taken away from their parents.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27
      Replying to @HPluckrose @juscallmekirsty

      I feel strongly about this because there is a boy in my daughter's class whose father is our local BNP representative & expresses the most disgusting views. I wouldn't think it went too far to say his plans for the country would destroy it. And the boy is 'tainted' by this.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose @juscallmekirsty

          People blame him for his parents and assume he will hold the same views as an adult. He does, in fact, present a potential threat of extremist violence although he currently seems very sweet. He got upset at the unnecessary killing of a spider. He must be judged on what he does.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose @juscallmekirsty

          If his parents were to take him abroad to join some Nazi militia, he wouldn't be able to stop them and I don't think it could be justified to refuse to allow him back in.

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        2. Kirsty Miller‏ @juscallmekirsty Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I take your point here too. I know we're making the case that we can't have rules for some (ISIS) and not others (BNP). But... I still think that there is a distinction between IS ideology and BNP (no matter how deplorable the latter is too).

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        3. Kirsty Miller‏ @juscallmekirsty Oct 27
          Replying to @juscallmekirsty @HPluckrose

          I would hope that the normal society around the little boy would get rid of BNP tendencies (despite his upbringing), but what's the odds of that happening in Syria with the awful things those kids will have seen (plus the IS indoctrination)?

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