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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted (((Christian JB)))  🐌

      This is good.https://twitter.com/christianjbdev/status/1055819225477115904 …

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      (((Christian JB)))  🐌 @christianjbdev
      Find your political clan. I am an 'Orange Booker' liberal. (UK-oriented test, but anyone can do it.) https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/vote-class-values-clans-bmg-research-opinion-polls-a8601446.html … pic.twitter.com/yqSQR9aSzE
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27

      I am mostly "global green community" and a little "measured middle"pic.twitter.com/w1EYbBd4gM

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27

      I do think tests like this should have an "I haven't researched this thoroughly enough to know the answer" button rather than "neither," tho. There is a right or wrong answer to statements like "Public services would collapse without immigrants." I just don't know what it is.

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        2. Senorworldwide‏ @senorglobal Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Seems more likely that they'll collapse with too many of them. Which public services are they talking about?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 27
          Replying to @senorglobal

          STEM mostly, I think. The NHS, particularly, recruits many doctors from India, Pakistan and Nigeria. We are also low on engineers.

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        4. Senorworldwide‏ @senorglobal Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          imo a lot of the reason for that is because we have such a high barrier to entry into med school, at least in the US. VERY expensive. At any rate, these aren't the guys pols are talking about when they talk about tightening emigration policy. Obviously.

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        1. Saint‏ @SaintTzu Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          (@christianjbdev) The Measured Middle here. Not convinced by this wee quiz. There were a number of questions where I felt like I needed to choose Neither but the real answer was closer to ‘I might feel very strongly about this indeed, but the question is too broad as posed’.

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        2. James Elton‏ @JamesElton13 Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Half the questions were logically unbalanced in some way, or had distorting hidden assumptions. "Economic growth should always be prioritized over environment." "Always" is a strong leaning, but there are strength gradations in the response. >

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        3. James Elton‏ @JamesElton13 Oct 27
          Replying to @JamesElton13 @HPluckrose

          "There is much more work to do before there is true equality between men and women." Again, there's a strength gradation in the question. But worse, there are three wildly different implications from possible answers: things are equal; women are oppressed; men are oppressed.

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        1. Mark Collard‏ @profmarkcollard 7h7 hours ago
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Presumably such tests are trying to get at one’s impulses/values rather than one’s considered opinion - hence the encouragement to take the test quickly and the obviously leading questions. I imagine this approach artificially inflates the size of the considered/muddled middle.

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        1. Meetal 'Maiden Blood' Leeka‏ @Meetal_Leeka Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I got GGC too. The question is too broad and deterministic. Some services may suffer badly, others not so much or at all. I answered with personal beliefs, but lack of accurate data on hand for some questions forced me to say "Neither".

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        1. Alex Mead‏ @amead93 Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I don't like the absolutes in these sorts of tests. Not enough nuance. Like "Immigrants are a drain on the economy". I'd think some are, some aren't. Both can be true. "Neither" doesn't quite cover it. Depends on the individual, depends on the situation.

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        2. JDavies‏ @6TallMidgets Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          There's some professions like nurses where immigration has been invaluable but to say the public services would collapse without them is a tad overdramatic when what would fix the low numbers of home grown nurses would be the attitude towards the profession.

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        3. JDavies‏ @6TallMidgets Oct 27
          Replying to @6TallMidgets @HPluckrose

          We've told everyone to reach for the stars & not encouraged students that every career is valuable in society. Combine that with low pay & there's your shortage right there.

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        2. Lost cause‏ @Dylanjoe Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes, they would, probably, but only because our systems have evolved in an environment of ever expanding immigration

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        3. Lost cause‏ @Dylanjoe Oct 27
          Replying to @Dylanjoe @HPluckrose

          I, personally, do not believe this is a good thing

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        1. Gillian Dempsey‏ @catedempsey Oct 27
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          The statement is too hyperbolic - it suggests that without immigrants the public service would grind to a stop. Probably not - but there would be fewer people relying on certain services and without immigrants certain departments would be unnecessary. The question is wrong.

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