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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1.  🎃Freedom-of-Screech 🦉‏ @ElleWest26 Oct 26
      Replying to @DurinnMcFurren @ConceptualJames @christianjbdev

      No. I find certain people use concepts like free speech, “entertaining possibilities” & other liberal values in certain situations to advance their own agendas😐 It’s becoming quite obvious. I find questioning conspiracies great- I find their timing to question this suspicious🙄

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    2. James Lindsay‏ @ConceptualJames Oct 26
      Replying to @ElleWest26 @DurinnMcFurren @christianjbdev

      You're entertaining this problem as a conspiracy theory, just saying.

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @ConceptualJames @ElleWest26 and

      You are rather, Elle! I do think we can entertain all kinds of possibilities without it being suspicious. There were people who were sure they knew exactly who & why and it conveniently fit their politics but I don't think that would be a fair evaluation of Bret.

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    4.  🎃Freedom-of-Screech 🦉‏ @ElleWest26 Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames and

      I usually trust your judgement of people’s motivations so I will accept your assurances & move on. I would say that you should seriously question why he is saying this specific issue should be questioned & what impact his words have in the general discourse.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @ElleWest26 @ConceptualJames and

      That can also be talked about although only he will know why he raised it. This does tend to lead to "You only question this narrative because you secretly believe the opposite one' & I'm a bit defensive about this due to being accused of being far-right for criticising far-left.

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    6.  🎃Freedom-of-Screech 🦉‏ @ElleWest26 Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames and

      I understand. You know I understand that. You know I hate that. I don’t think this has anything to do with “questioning the narrative”. It’s about giving people a “logical” way of questioning the truth by portraying himself as only “questioning” the conspiracy.

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    7.  🎃Freedom-of-Screech 🦉‏ @ElleWest26 Oct 26
      Replying to @ElleWest26 @HPluckrose and

      It’s a way of distancing himself from the people asserting the conspiracy while also giving validity to people questioning the conspiracy. Can you try to see what I am saying?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @ElleWest26 @ConceptualJames and

      I do see that but I also think that not being seen as doing that would require not questioning things like this and letting only ideologically-motivated conspiracy theorists do so. I'm more worried about that.

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    9. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ElleWest26 and

      I took some small issue with Bret's tweet but I also took issue with many of the responses. My issue was a bit separate, though, in that I don't like the pragmatic reasons given for "entertaining" conspiracy theories. I think we should just treat them like any other propositions.

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    10. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 26
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @HPluckrose and

      i.e. if they seem like they have low prior probability, we should reject them until we have better reason not to and if they don't, we should entertain them. The idea of entertaining them or explicitly not entertaining them based on what social effects might happen loses me.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @ElleWest26 and

      Hmm. I didn't see that layer at all.

      1:21 PM - 26 Oct 2018
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        2. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose @ElleWest26 and

          My introduction to Bret's tweet was Don Moynihan's response to it, which was explicitly concerned with the pragmatic effects so that might be more of the reason I'm focusing on it.

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
          Replying to @Intrinsic29 @ElleWest26 and

          Yes, I'm with you now.

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