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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Areo

      Stephen Messenger certainly knows his moral foundations but I have always found his thesis that conservative morality is objectively superior because it draws on all moral foundations while liberals draw much more strongly on half somewhat akin to the naturalistic fallacy.https://twitter.com/AreoMagazine/status/1055897417839718401 …

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      Areo @AreoMagazine
      Stephen Messenger, @TheWhig, also finds much to admire, but he sees a neglected elephant in the room & presents an argument for a fuller application of Moral Foundations to its thesis. "What The Coddling of the American Mind Fails To Spell Out." https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/26/what-the-coddling-of-the-american-mind-fails-to-spell-out-book-review/ …
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    2. Joshua Schwartz‏ @Metal_Crow Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Haidt does slide from "is" to "ought" on occasion. He doesn't entertain that having more moral foundations could be maladaptive - that the foundations unique to conservatives struggle more to find ethical purchase in the modern social context than the care/harm and fairness ones.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @Metal_Crow

      I don't think Haidt sees it that way, no. It's Stephen Messenger's review I am talking about. That very claim that morality binds and blinds would seem to negate the idea that just going with them all is the path to success.

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        2. The Independent Whig‏ @TheWhig Oct 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Metal_Crow

          The moral foundations are about half the story. Cognitive style also matters. A lot. And may even be the determining factor as to how the foundations are applied.http://quillette.com/2018/04/20/towards-cognitive-theory-politics/ …

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        3. The Independent Whig‏ @TheWhig Oct 26
          Replying to @TheWhig @HPluckrose @Metal_Crow

          Haidt talks about the two main cognitive styles in a few places. places. First, in The Righteous Mind, in his discussions of WEIRD thinking on the left vs holistic thinking on the right.https://theindependentwhig.com/haidt-passages/haidt/weird-morality-and-style-of-thought/ …

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        4. The Independent Whig‏ @TheWhig Oct 26
          Replying to @TheWhig @HPluckrose @Metal_Crow

          Second, in top-down globalist terms on the left versus bottom-up parochial terms on the right.http://ccare.stanford.edu/videos/meng-wu-lecture-jonathan-haidt/ …

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        5. The Independent Whig‏ @TheWhig Oct 26
          Replying to @TheWhig @HPluckrose @Metal_Crow

          Third, picking up on Sowell’s unconstrained thinking on the left vs constrained thinking on the right, expressed as the Telos of Social Justice vs the Telos of Truth, he calls them two incompatible “sacred values” but they’re really two cognitive styles.https://youtu.be/Gatn5ameRr8 

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        6. The Independent Whig‏ @TheWhig Oct 26
          Replying to @TheWhig @HPluckrose @Metal_Crow

          These two cognitive styles are evident through 2,400 years of human history, overviewed by Arthur Herman in his book The Cave and the Light:pic.twitter.com/pAN2kw6cRs

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        7. The Independent Whig‏ @TheWhig Oct 26
          Replying to @TheWhig @HPluckrose @Metal_Crow

          Cognitive style is a moral foundation, in the sense of an “evolved psychological mechanism” (from Haidt’s definition of morality) of social cognition, that he missed, or at least severely underestimated.

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        8. The Independent Whig‏ @TheWhig Oct 26
          Replying to @TheWhig @HPluckrose @Metal_Crow

          The difference between the social justice left in your Grievance Studies project and the traditional left (like @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames and @JonHaidt) is cognitive style: WEIRD Platonic idealists in grievance studies vs holistic Aristotelian empiricists in traditional left.

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        9. The Independent Whig‏ @TheWhig Oct 26
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          This short video goes to what I’m talking about.https://youtu.be/KjjME3oYbps 

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