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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted Areo

      Stephen Messenger certainly knows his moral foundations but I have always found his thesis that conservative morality is objectively superior because it draws on all moral foundations while liberals draw much more strongly on half somewhat akin to the naturalistic fallacy.https://twitter.com/AreoMagazine/status/1055897417839718401 …

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      Stephen Messenger, @TheWhig, also finds much to admire, but he sees a neglected elephant in the room & presents an argument for a fuller application of Moral Foundations to its thesis. "What The Coddling of the American Mind Fails To Spell Out." https://areomagazine.com/2018/10/26/what-the-coddling-of-the-american-mind-fails-to-spell-out-book-review/ …
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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26

      The value of Moral Foundations theory, I have always thought, is that it enables an understanding of the moral intuitions of those on the other side of the divide and makes them harder to misunderstand as evil and provides assistance with making arguments that will convince.

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    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26

      When it comes to those intuitions themselves tho, there are arguments to be made in favour of prioritising some over others, which ones & why. It is not a given that giving them all equal value is the way to maximise the best aspects of human morality in 21st century environments

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26

      it could well be that the prioritising of care & reduction of harm foundation is actually more valuable than the sanctity/disgust foundation which seeks to avoid or ban things seen as disgusting even if that was very useful in preventing us from poisoning ourselves historically.

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        1. SirGalahad‏ @KinkThinkLift Oct 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          @zemblan2 Agreed. They inform us of how people think and expose us to our own Foundations (Haidt's contention that progressives still feel disgust and elevation, just over different issues). They describe, not prescribe, and can inform policy based on other moral grounds.

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        2. Ken Crangle‏ @Crangle Oct 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          I use Haidt’s MFQ in my BusEthics class. I encourage students to think of the foundations as different, not “better”. How would you respond if a student challenged you with the evidence that those with more than just the care/harm foundation can better understand all sides?

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        3. Iona Italia‏ @IonaItalia Oct 27
          Replying to @Crangle @HPluckrose

          You can understand a view without having to subscribe to it.

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        1. steven isle‏ @damnthatcursor Oct 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Utilitarianism often criticised as crude and repulsive because it causes us to weigh everyone’s interests equally. In my view our ‘intuitions’ are themselves crude remnants of our clan, hunter- gatherer past.

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        1. zemblan‏ @zemblan2 Oct 26
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          Rationally, perhaps you’re right. But it’s also a conservative principle that you have to work within human nature — and the sanctity/disgust foundation is an important aspect of that nature. It has to be accounted for. Abstract moralizing doesn’t cut it.

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