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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25

      Helen Pluckrose Retweeted ITV News

      I understand the instinct to say "You made your bed. Lie in it." But people are forgetting the children. They're British. They couldn't help being taken out of Britain by mothers who must be imprisoned for terrorism & child endangerment. The kids did not do this. Bring them home.https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1055543204223815681 …

      Helen Pluckrose added,

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      ITV NewsVerified account @itvnews
      The one-time women of so-called Islamic State who travelled to Syria from Britain to join the terror organisation have spoken to ITV News, issuing pleas to the UK Government to allow them and their children to return home https://bit.ly/2CDL1H2  pic.twitter.com/bdp1hsHMpl
      27 replies 22 retweets 111 likes
    2. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      At some point the bill comes due. And I see no reason the British people should be left picking up the tab, not even for the children. Gonna disagree with you on this one, but respect your kind heart and charitable attitude. :)

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @DrTandtheLg

      Its British children I am talking about tho. They don't become less British because they are brown or black or because their parents have a certain religious belief.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Am I understanding this correctly that these children were removed from the country when the mothers left?

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @DrTandtheLg

      Yes. They had no right to take their children into prohibited organisations and war zones. Both are illegal.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I'll agree with that. To me, though, that's a sign that you're revoking your own citizenship and that of your child as well. I'm fairly certain it would work that way here. But Britains are under an obligation to follow their own laws, which matters most here.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @DrTandtheLg

      Sure. In the same way that killing a child is a sign that you're revoking their right to life. We don't generally let parents do that tho. Coz the kids have rights too. I'm not saying to save the kids for the mothers sake. I'm saying to save them for their own.

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    8. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      By "follow their own laws" I assumed that would mean the children would be allowed in, but you seem to be indicating that that's not the case or the law is unclear. I wasn't attempting to justify revoking citizenship, was merely observing our law would decide the matter clearly

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @DrTandtheLg

      If the law would leave your citizens in a foreign country because their parents decided to illegally go to it to join a proscribed organisation, that law should probably be addressed.

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    10. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      See, leaving isn't illegal here. You can leave to engage in illegal activities and risk losing citizenship, but simply leaving isn't illegal, and proving intent can be difficult. There may be situations where the parent is allowed to return, then the kids would be allowed back

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
      Replying to @DrTandtheLg

      This seems to be a different issue here. Here is it illegal to join ISIS either while remaining here or going there. It is also illegal to take your kids out of the country & have them married or mutilated (tho zero prosecutions of the latter)

      7:58 AM - 26 Oct 2018
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        2. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
          Replying to @HPluckrose

          Yes, I think you're right. I'm less certain on what our laws would be for the latter. If intent could be proven, the children would likely be taken away before. But even that requires a degree of invasion of privacy, which would be licensed only if the law were broken.

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        3. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
          Replying to @DrTandtheLg @HPluckrose

          And, last I checked anyway, merely saying one is *IN* ISIS is only illegal here if it is actually overseas and part of an effort we are at war against. Then a person and their child could be intercepted (and with NSA technology, they honestly probably would be).

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