This is why I reject the idea that parents own their children to the extent that those children do not have the rights of citizens. When parents abuse & endanger their children, the state must be able to take them away and protect them as British citizens with human rights. https://twitter.com/Legal_Equality/status/1055718997071605760 …
-
-
Do you not think though that the notion of ‘citizenship’ should only apply to those who do not want to destroy the country they are citizens of? ...
-
I get your point re the children, but just because it’s not their fault who their parents are, does that mean that we should willingly let potential threats back into the country?
-
Would you normally let kids keep their citizenship if they'd had an awful childhood and were more likely than kids with good parents to commit crime?
-
I know what you're saying, but I do feel like this is slightly different, because there is an ideological issue here: it's not just bad parenting, they (the parents) left the UK to join an organisation whose aim it is to destroy the UK...
-
And that isn't the kids' fault and they don't stop being British because their parents were traitors to it. We just don't punish kids for the crimes of their parents anymore even when it's treason because we've developed a liberal ethic of individual responsibility.
-
Ultimately I think that this is the main issue - should we hold kids responsible for their parents behaviour, to which the answer is obviously no...
-
However, I wonder if the relevant question here is not 'should the kids be held responsible', to 'is allowing high risk people back into the UK too great a risk, given their parentage, their upbringing, and the society they've been brought up in...'?
-
Answering questions pragmatically without recourse to ethics results in an unethical system. We can reduce risks to society in many ways by denying rights to certain people who present higher risks but doing so would result in an unjust society which does not value the individual
- 3 more replies
New conversation -
-
-
I think you'll find that everyone agrees that these women should have been arrested for trying to join ISUS in the first place.
-
Of course. That's not in dispute.
End of conversation
New conversation -
-
-
I'm not against the children being allowed back, but I am against the parents being allowed back. Is this your view?
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
-
-
What do you mean by “citizen”? I thought you were subjects. More seriously, citizenship should be more than just a piece of paper allowing you to live and vote in a country. It should require a certain loyalty to one’s fellow citizens at least. This certainly doesn’t apply here
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
-
-
There's a real muddiness in there, of race, religion, and national identity.
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
-
-
While I agree with the sentiment, it is unclear where the line is. If Russian parents decided to take the UK kids to Russia and the UK is in conflict with Russia, does the state’s authority supersede that of the parents’?
Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
-
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.