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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25

    Helen Pluckrose Retweeted ITV News

    I understand the instinct to say "You made your bed. Lie in it." But people are forgetting the children. They're British. They couldn't help being taken out of Britain by mothers who must be imprisoned for terrorism & child endangerment. The kids did not do this. Bring them home.https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1055543204223815681 …

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    The one-time women of so-called Islamic State who travelled to Syria from Britain to join the terror organisation have spoken to ITV News, issuing pleas to the UK Government to allow them and their children to return home https://bit.ly/2CDL1H2  pic.twitter.com/bdp1hsHMpl
    11:06 PM - 25 Oct 2018
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      2. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        At some point the bill comes due. And I see no reason the British people should be left picking up the tab, not even for the children. Gonna disagree with you on this one, but respect your kind heart and charitable attitude. :)

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
        Replying to @DrTandtheLg

        Its British children I am talking about tho. They don't become less British because they are brown or black or because their parents have a certain religious belief.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Am I understanding this correctly that these children were removed from the country when the mothers left?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
        Replying to @DrTandtheLg

        Yes. They had no right to take their children into prohibited organisations and war zones. Both are illegal.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'll agree with that. To me, though, that's a sign that you're revoking your own citizenship and that of your child as well. I'm fairly certain it would work that way here. But Britains are under an obligation to follow their own laws, which matters most here.

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
        Replying to @DrTandtheLg

        Sure. In the same way that killing a child is a sign that you're revoking their right to life. We don't generally let parents do that tho. Coz the kids have rights too. I'm not saying to save the kids for the mothers sake. I'm saying to save them for their own.

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      8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose @DrTandtheLg

        Some parents have sold their own children into paedophile rings. The question isn't whether or not they meant to do that. Obviously, they did. The question is whether they have the right to do that or if the children should be taken to a place of safety & the parents locked up.

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      9. Dr. T Rodriguez, ⱂⰞⰴ‏ @DrTandtheLg Oct 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I guess that depends on how charitable the British people are willing to be and if it's legal. But jail the mothers? Definitely...in Syria. I see no reason y'all should foot that bill in addition to that of the children, who alone will require years of care to manage the damage

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      2. Mike‏ @citation_needed Oct 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Did you go to bed at all Helen?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25
        Replying to @citation_needed

        Not yet. Soon.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Mike‏ @citation_needed Oct 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        ...it's 0719 in London. I'm telling on you. @MikeNayna @IonaItalia @ConceptualJames - I think Helen pulled an all-nighter so she could argue on twitter!

        2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25
        Replying to @citation_needed @MikeNayna and

        #Wanker

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      6. Mike Nayna‏ @MikeNayna Oct 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose @citation_needed and

        🥑😠 🥑 that’s it. I want sleep reports now 🥑 and you’re going 🥑to the clinic 🥑😠🥑if I don’t see rapid improvement. 🥑🥑🥑🥑

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25
        Replying to @MikeNayna @citation_needed and

        I am going to get on it from Monday.

        0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
      8. End of conversation
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      2. Casaubon‏ @Casaubon_ Oct 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Do their children have a greater moral claim on Britain than the children who have been terrorised & displaced by these very people? How's this for an idea: For every one of them that are shuned a Yazidi or Christian refugee gets accepted?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25
        Replying to @Casaubon_

        Yes. They are British. We do not blame children for the actions of their parents. If your parents had gone extremist loon and taken you off to join a death cult, wouldn't you want your country to put your rights as a citizen above your parents' allegiances and bring you home?

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Casaubon‏ @Casaubon_ Oct 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        As I get older I realise that what I want matters not a fig. And my implicit question still stands, why should these "cubs of the caliphate" be preferred over those who suffered that these may prosper. And "British" - in what sense?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25
        Replying to @Casaubon_

        In the same sense as me. Born here.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Casaubon‏ @Casaubon_ Oct 25
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I do not believe that is a sufficient criterion in today's world

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25
        Replying to @Casaubon_

        Then I could have been taken out of my own countries values and subjected to a barbaric and evil one and so could you. Its pure luck that our parents didn't decide that for us. If a country doesn't stand for its citizens want worth does it have?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. St. Cheveré‏ @FishMcready Oct 26
        Replying to @HPluckrose @Casaubon_

        Hmm, not really pure luck is it? The chances of anyone I know taking their kids to Syria is rather small.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 26
        Replying to @FishMcready @Casaubon_

        Nobody chooses who they are born to.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      10. End of conversation

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