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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      And I’m totally fine disagreeing with you on that! (I suspect you are fine too). I just wanted to go on record to clarify what the disagreement is about. (But hey, i also think lots of practical jokes border on unethical). The harder q to answer is whether they’re effective.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

      I don't like practical jokes either. If you think this is a practical joke, all I can ask is that you read the Areo piece. If you doubt our own account of what we did and why, at least consider why we'd write so seriously about it for years & then spend a year full time on it.

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    3. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      I read the piece (before we recorded and again after). I don’t think this is a practical joke- was merely agreeing that I think many people might reasonably set a different ethical threshold about the appropriateness of faking articles as a method of criticism.

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    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

      Yes and I have said I hope they'd do so consistently and if they find that undercover sting operations to reveal corruption are OK in some areas and not others, ask themselves if they could have a bias.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @peez and

      But ultimately an objection to what was essentially an uncontrolled reflexive ethnography without the consent of the field examined to reveal problems in it can be honestly made. Assessments of us as motivated by a wish to pull cheap tricks, hurt ppl or oppose equality cannot.

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    6. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      None of which were assessments I made (are you saying that’s been my tactic?)

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

      You called it a practical joke and said we were gleefully attacking *people* and it sounded as tho you said we had opposing views on gender equality. If you don't think any of that & accept that we had good motivations, we can disagree on whether this will help or be ethical.

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    8. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      I said that I don’t like the delight in deceiving people to make a point.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

      And I think that is uncharitable. We were not delighted to have deceived people. We were delighted to have a paper accepted and amused by the mad comments.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    10. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      Fair enough, you are right that I cannot with any authority say that you took delight in deceiving. That is uncharitable and I apologize.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

      Gladly accepted. I hope we will have more productive conversations in the future.

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        2. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

          Likewise, Helen. Have a good evening and thanks for the discussion.

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        3. farid anvari‏ @farid_anvari Oct 25
          Replying to @peez @HPluckrose and

          podcast interview?!

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        4. Daniël Lakens‏Verified account @lakens Oct 25
          Replying to @farid_anvari @peez and

          Daniël Lakens Retweeted Daniël Lakens

          Please, no. That previous interview was already so bad that I couldn't listen to the end. There are many more worthwhile things for them to spend their time on.https://twitter.com/lakens/status/880021938575376384 …

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          Daniël LakensVerified account @lakens
          Replying to @verybadwizards @peez and 2 others
          Thanks for the new episode. First time couldn't listen to the end. That weak uninformed defense by @GodDoesnt was more than I could stand.
          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. farid anvari‏ @farid_anvari Oct 25
          Replying to @lakens @peez and

          This thread gives me the impression that a discussion with Helen would be a more fruitful and interesting discussion to listen to.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Daniël Lakens‏Verified account @lakens Oct 25
          Replying to @farid_anvari @peez and

          Perhaps - I've not seen the hoaxers really defend themselves against the massive criticism on what they did, and given that at least in The Netherlands all serious news organizations dismissed it as well, they might want to try to respond?

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        7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25
          Replying to @lakens @farid_anvari and

          You're not paying attention to the numerous interviews we have given. Also, most gratified by support from the Netherlands. #VrijLinks

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        8. Daniël Lakens‏Verified account @lakens Oct 25
          Replying to @HPluckrose @farid_anvari and

          I've never heard of Vrij Links - if that's it, that is saying quite a lot. I have indeed not seen any piece where a critical journalist interviewed you. Any links?

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 25
          Replying to @lakens @farid_anvari and

          Try CBC, Radio 5, NPR. I recommend paying more attention to Vrij Links.

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