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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @HPluckrose and

      I think this is a common red herring response to the project. The project isn't explicitly claiming or hypothesizing that other fields are better. Other fields have problems too and I don't think this project is making any comment on that.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @peez and

      No, absolutely not. If you mean why not write bad papers for fields with other problems with knowledge production, I don't even know how you'd go about comparing them even if we had the expertise necessary to produce exemplary papers in other fields.

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    3. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      If you can a priori determine with such ease which fields have problems with knowledge production, then of course it’s a waste of time. But wouldn’t embedding yourself into social psych and getting published there reveal problems with our knowledge production?

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    4. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @HPluckrose and

      The project as it was took almost a year and was exposed very early due to inherent risks. I'm not sure it'd be wise to make it much more complicated to control for fields that are outside the thesis of the project.

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    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @peez and

      Quite. This would be a required control for a thesis that one field alone had problems. Not for looking at problems in one field. Would you really expect people looking at faulty knowledge production in science to also address radical constructivism in identity studies, Peez?

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    6. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      I think that to claim evidentiary value from the publication rates (as you do), it requires a comparison rate. I -don’t- think that criticizing problems within a field has to be done with reference to another field. I hope that distinction is clear. I could write more if not.

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    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

      What would that be evidence of? We are not making a comparative claim. If someone were to show that there was sexism in one workplace, for example, would we need to show it was worse than in another for there to be any value in showing it to exist?

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    8. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      Yes-You’d need to show (e.g.) that women were paid 7/hr for the same work compared to 9/hr for men. For the rate of 7/20 false papers generated by working x hrs/wk to provide evidence of a field’s sloppiness, you need to know the rate in a “good” field.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

      OK, maybe that was a bad example because sexism does involve a comparison although I did say with another workplace. Make it showing evidence that children were beaten in a care home. Would we need to show it was not more than another home or elderly people.

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    10. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @peez and

      Also, we are not claiming sloppiness in one field or that it is worse than in other fields. *Please* read the Areo piece. We think the peer review system works just fine. We are showing what is there, what we drew on, how we were directed,what we got in etc.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @peez and

      I will actually cut & paste the claims we made for you. What difference wld it make if we found another field to be better or worse in some way for knowledge production even if we could compare apples with oranges. If they were all worse, should we not address this specifically?pic.twitter.com/e0NokqIylM

      6:05 PM - 24 Oct 2018
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        1. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

          My favorite part is “we will let you make up your own minds about that.”

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