I think my disagreement just boils down to whether hoaxing is necessary, or if it is effective to hoax, and whether hoaxing is the form of criticism that I’d want to receive (i wouldn’t, but we talked to James about the value of mockery and we just have different views).
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Yeah a lot of the utility I've seen already is in people close to the fields publicly announcing "everyone already knew there was a bunch of bullshit in these fields!" That by itself is great for people who didn't already know that to see imo.
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Yes! I see a shift. Much defensiveness coming out in different ways but much of it is about addressing the problem. Even Mother Jones came out in favour and Buzzfeed was balanced. If we have made this just a little more untenable and worthy of embarrassment it was worthwhile.
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Also, some productive conversations have happened with sincere right-wingers along the lines of "OK, you're admitting to problems on your side. We can also say we have some loons making false claims and being unethical." I'm intrigued to see where that will go.
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