I think my disagreement just boils down to whether hoaxing is necessary, or if it is effective to hoax, and whether hoaxing is the form of criticism that I’d want to receive (i wouldn’t, but we talked to James about the value of mockery and we just have different views).
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I think that to claim evidentiary value from the publication rates (as you do), it requires a comparison rate. I -don’t- think that criticizing problems within a field has to be done with reference to another field. I hope that distinction is clear. I could write more if not.
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What would that be evidence of? We are not making a comparative claim. If someone were to show that there was sexism in one workplace, for example, would we need to show it was worse than in another for there to be any value in showing it to exist?
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Yes-You’d need to show (e.g.) that women were paid 7/hr for the same work compared to 9/hr for men. For the rate of 7/20 false papers generated by working x hrs/wk to provide evidence of a field’s sloppiness, you need to know the rate in a “good” field.
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OK, maybe that was a bad example because sexism does involve a comparison although I did say with another workplace. Make it showing evidence that children were beaten in a care home. Would we need to show it was not more than another home or elderly people.
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Also, we are not claiming sloppiness in one field or that it is worse than in other fields. *Please* read the Areo piece. We think the peer review system works just fine. We are showing what is there, what we drew on, how we were directed,what we got in etc.
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I will actually cut & paste the claims we made for you. What difference wld it make if we found another field to be better or worse in some way for knowledge production even if we could compare apples with oranges. If they were all worse, should we not address this specifically?pic.twitter.com/e0NokqIylM
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My favorite part is “we will let you make up your own minds about that.”
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