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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 24
      Replying to @verybadwizards @IonaItalia and

      18:34: "They're very motivated to vocally disagree with some of the views that people in these fields have. And those views themselves are substantive. The views about, say, gender equality. They might not be right, but they are views that you could argue about..."

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 24
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @verybadwizards and

      Both Helen and James have passionately argued for gender equality in a number of places. Your quote here suggested they're opposed to it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    3. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 24
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @verybadwizards and

      And it'd be one thing if this was just a misstatement since this is basically live, but it's mixed in with a bunch of unfair mind-reading about their supposedly smug, gleeful intentions to hurt people.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @verybadwizards and

      It was generally uncharitable, yes, but we expected this. I think you are more upset about it than we are because you didn't expect it of VBW. And also know us and our motivations, obviously.

      3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    5. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      I think my disagreement just boils down to whether hoaxing is necessary, or if it is effective to hoax, and whether hoaxing is the form of criticism that I’d want to receive (i wouldn’t, but we talked to James about the value of mockery and we just have different views).

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    6. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @HPluckrose and

      One point that would have been nice to hear brought up in relation to this is that the authors do argue against these ideas in ways that don't involve hoaxes rather often. This project is supplementary to that. Meant to address some common responses to that argument.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @peez and

      But I think an ethical position against insincere scholarship intended to be revealed with an argument that there's a problem with knowledge production in that field can be consistently & coherently held whether you consider this hoaxing or not. I'd disagree with it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      Because I think it can show the problem from start to finish with the process in a way that other forms of criticism cannot. It can show the research sources - the key texts already in the field - the review process & how authors are directed, the publication process etc

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      Obviously other ethical problems arise in other fields. Someone asked us why we didn't go for a problem in medical publishing in relation to bad data enabling dead tracheas to be transplanted into patients endangering their lives.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      (Btw, I saw you asked about this earlier. When i referred to “controls” i simply meant trying the same exercise in another field, one you respect, and comparing the publication rates to see if they are less likely to accept these anthropological Trojans.)

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
      Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

      How would that work? If it does identity studies, we don't respect it. If it doesn't, it would just say our papers were out of scope. We needed to aim our papers at the journals already producing this stuff. The fields ranged from geography to social work, btw.

      4:51 PM - 24 Oct 2018
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        2. David Pizarro‏ @peez Oct 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

          Why not use the language of those fields as best you can and see if in the same time perioid you can get some papers published? If they reject them, then you have additional support. If you sneak the same # through, then... I guess it’s just another field that lacks rigor?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
          Replying to @peez @Intrinsic29 and

          That would be a method to test the proposition that other fields have no or fewer problems and we don't know or claim that to be the case. Also, it would rightly be pointed out that we were comparing proper papers written with much knowledge to papers that fudged some language.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @peez and

          But i have been thinking that maybe a control could have been that we tried to submit papers which argued for evidence based epistemology & consistent liberal ethics to the same journals?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 24
          Replying to @HPluckrose @peez and

          But, in reality, if you look at reviewer comments, you'll see a control on whether you have to stick to orthodoxy anyway because we were faulted many times and rejected many times for not doing so.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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