I'd like to point out a factual error at the beginning of this week's @verybadwizards podcast. The presenters, esp. @tamler, stated that @HPluckrose & @ConceptualJames have never voiced any serious critiques of pomo-influenced fields, only hoaxes. (Thread)
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Replying to @IonaItalia @verybadwizards and
Other errors: They said there were 21 papers. They tentatively said all the papers were in Helen's name (this was just bizarre imo). They said "most were rejected" without pointing out the project was ended early due to exposure before revisions. They just didn't read it imo.
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Replying to @Intrinsic29 @IonaItalia and
I just listened again and
@peez also explicitly claims that they're motivated to vocally disagree with some of the views that people in these fields have and he gives an example of "gender equality" implying that these authors are opposed to gender equality. That was insane.1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @Intrinsic29 @IonaItalia and
Dude you are totally missing what I said. At least quote the whole thing or give a time stamp. I said they were motivated by substantive disagreements about issues in these fields (such as how those fields treat the concept of gender equality). Is that up for debate?
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Replying to @verybadwizards @IonaItalia and
18:34: "They're very motivated to vocally disagree with some of the views that people in these fields have. And those views themselves are substantive. The views about, say, gender equality. They might not be right, but they are views that you could argue about..."
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Replying to @Intrinsic29 @verybadwizards and
Both Helen and James have passionately argued for gender equality in a number of places. Your quote here suggested they're opposed to it.
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Replying to @Intrinsic29 @verybadwizards and
And it'd be one thing if this was just a misstatement since this is basically live, but it's mixed in with a bunch of unfair mind-reading about their supposedly smug, gleeful intentions to hurt people.
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Replying to @Intrinsic29 @verybadwizards and
It was generally uncharitable, yes, but we expected this. I think you are more upset about it than we are because you didn't expect it of VBW. And also know us and our motivations, obviously.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and
I think my disagreement just boils down to whether hoaxing is necessary, or if it is effective to hoax, and whether hoaxing is the form of criticism that I’d want to receive (i wouldn’t, but we talked to James about the value of mockery and we just have different views).
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Replying to @peez @HPluckrose and
One point that would have been nice to hear brought up in relation to this is that the authors do argue against these ideas in ways that don't involve hoaxes rather often. This project is supplementary to that. Meant to address some common responses to that argument.
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We do, yes. People we respected were not convinced the problem really was embedded in the system.We showed paper after paper but they said a few bad papers get in every field. Even tho these are central to eg feminist epistemology & concepts like white fragility & stay in ur lane
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