I misread this in haste when I responded yesterday. https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1054886048625541120 … It is not the empirical & generally reasonable scholars who are responding in deranged & vitriolic ways. Those opposed tend to respond by ignoring our point & referring to a number of extraneous factorshttps://twitter.com/clairlemon/status/1054883200525230081 …
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"We all know some papers in these fields are mad but couldn't this be addressed straightforwardly? Are hoaxes not a form of deception? Weren't the papers actually in keeping with the genre so not really a hoax (yes, that's the point)? Wasn't reviewers' time wasted?
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Whereas before when we had tried to get reasonable academics to see that this was happening, they'd usually say "Oh, but some bad papers always get through. It's publish or perish. Most are still sound." Hence wanting to show the system is actually set up to be unsound.
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Now, the response has largely changed from " We do see the problem with the grievance studies approach but think you're exaggerating the structural embeddedness of it." to "We do see the problem with the grievance studies approach but don't think this is the way to address it."
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Kind reminder that this has been my response from day one (AFAICT I wasn't the only one).
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Likewise, the second approach was the same with me and other colleagues I have talked to.
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Well, obv, the second approach couldn't be made until we'd done the project. It was before this, when we'd been arguing straightforwardly against the ideas for years that people said it was a bug of the peer-review system & not a feature of the subdisciplines.
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And that we didn't understand it. I can't think of any other way to find out how it works firsthand.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @filth_and
Haha well it didn't take too long to suss that one out!
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