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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Jules Gutierrez‏ @DJJustJules Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames @verybadwizards

      I'm sure you will have some issues with their assessment of the project, but it is not some ad hom attack.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 23
      Replying to @DJJustJules @HPluckrose and

      "It leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth that they do this with such delight and that they've spent this much time to try and take down *people.*" (emphasis mine) - @peez

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @DJJustJules and

      This is what I am hearing. All about our alleged bad motivations again in attacking poor identity studies by forcing them to be really positive about chaining white people up, training men like dogs and never being able to criticise social justice scholarship.

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    4. Jules Gutierrez‏ @DJJustJules Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 and

      Helen, their criticisms are no worse than some of the more mild criticisms you've already received. The feedback James was quoting makes it out to be some off-the-hook personal attack. It is not this and I'm sure you can make up your own mind. Listen to it, or don't, but please..

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @DJJustJules @Intrinsic29 and

      Oh, I'm sure I've received much worse. I'm a giant gelatinous mound of lard, apparently, want to genocide trans people, am a psychopath etc. Not starting a war tho. Advising ignoring it.

      2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
    6. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @DJJustJules and

      I was more shocked by Paul because he's normally so balanced and careful imo.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Jules Gutierrez‏ @DJJustJules Oct 23
      Replying to @Intrinsic29 @HPluckrose and

      I think this is being greatly exaggerated.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @DJJustJules @Intrinsic29 and

      I don't think it should have any more attention. They didn't read the Areo piece, missed the point entirely and made it all about our motivations which is essentially bullying a poor, vulnerable field which presumably isn't doing any harm to society at all.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @DJJustJules and

      I am just sick of it, Jules. Obviously, we knew people would do this. We even wrote one of our papers anticipating it. But that doesn't mean we have to think it's not that bad coz they're only mildly saying we're bad faith bullies while not having read anything we said.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. Jules Gutierrez‏ @DJJustJules Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 @ConceptualJames

      Yes, in that sense, the critique itself falls short. And if you've heard all the same sort of critique before and are sick of it, I can certainly understand that. My point is that the feedback James quoted is inaccurate, and that fights should not start on the basis of it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @DJJustJules @Intrinsic29 @ConceptualJames

      I don't know what to say if you don't see that gunning for our motivations is a personal attack. Maybe you've just got jaded to a point where only vitriolic abuse seems to you like an attack on a person. Work a year on something coz you think it matters & be told smug & bad faith

      5:22 PM - 23 Oct 2018
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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @DJJustJules and

          I admit I was expecting worse tho. I'd let my daughter hear it but also talk to her about why that isn't the way to address other people's arguments and why we need to critique ideas having read them, rather than blindly repeat recycled bad people narratives.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        3. Jules Gutierrez‏ @DJJustJules Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 @ConceptualJames

          I will take your point there Helen re me possibly being jaded. I will speculate on one thing here though, and open myself up to being schooled if I'm wrong: I don't think the videos, as beautifully shot and edited as they are, helped your cause.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
          Replying to @DJJustJules @Intrinsic29 @ConceptualJames

          Because we were exhilarated and laughed when we got things in. We are human. We were glad to be making headway and it was ludicrous.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Jules Gutierrez‏ @DJJustJules Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Intrinsic29 @ConceptualJames

          Of course you were! I'm sure I would have been too. But I think publishing those videos opened you up - rightly or wrongly - to these accusations of smugness etc, and I think they get in the way of communicating what I believe is a very important message.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Kevin‏ @Intrinsic29 Oct 23
          Replying to @DJJustJules @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames

          You can only go so far in preempting bad faith attacks. Any honest person who takes the time to read the Areo piece will see the portrayal of them on VBW as bad faith imo. The video may appeal to more people who aren't Extremely Online and who are totally new to the issue.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Jules Gutierrez‏ @DJJustJules Oct 23
          Replying to @Intrinsic29 @HPluckrose @ConceptualJames

          If the message actually reaches and persuades (even a bit) more people, especially policy-makers, because of the video, then I am definitely wrong about the video. Until then, I fear it is a distraction.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
          Replying to @DJJustJules @Intrinsic29 @ConceptualJames

          It is reaching more people. My husband, daughter & friends said it was the first time they understood what I was doing.They can't get their heads around the Areo piece coz not in the bubble. And the laughter bit at the front is to intrigue ppl outside the bubble & make them watch

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @DJJustJules and

          I too wanted everything to be very serious and nuanced and detailed and written and had qualms about making it simple & entertaining but Mike convinced me this is how you get people outside the circle to take notice. To want more detail. He was right. He knows how to do this.

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