No, they don't. One can recognise the reality that trans people exist and that, in some areas, like sport and prisons, their rights and inclusion need to be considered in a class of their own. We wrote this about it.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …
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Replying to @HPluckrose
Of course trans people exist, but I suspect their many experiences, motives and presentations do not enable a unified, useful defintion. On the other hand, you appear to not want to recognise the objective, material existence of women? I hope I am wrong.
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Replying to @lecanardnoir
I sent you an essay. I recognise the objective material reality that biological sex is bimodal in teams of reproductive systems, yes, but also that gender comes from a variety of other biological aspects like brains, hormones, genetics etc.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir
Andy, are you sure you aren't doubling down a little too hard here? Having known you through skeptical stuff for years and Helen's views widely disseminated and dissected the last few weeks.
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Replying to @theedwardian81 @HPluckrose
I know, I am surprised I am here too right now. The disputable concepts of gender appear to come through various fashionable nonsense ideologies of the various pomo-style theories. So, I am just fascinated as to where this might lead?
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Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81
We've always done this in one way or another. If "He is a feminine man" makes sense to you, you too instinctively see gender as something different to biological organs. It's annoying to discuss and attempt to define sharply tho so I tend not to get into it.
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"Gender", as it's being used here, means role-playing, with the players attempting to impose those roles on other people's perceptions. Unsurprisingly, you can't do that. It's impossible to dictate how other people experience your behaviour, and it's all about behaviour.
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OK, well, it's unlikely to go away as gendered behaviour seems to be related very much to our evolved brains and hormones and the cognitive and psychological differences these produce.
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To use an unscientific term: Phooey! I wrote behaviour, not gendered behaviour. You've reversed the concept. Gender is fashionable nonsense, nothing to do with brains or hormones, though it'd be good if more people used the latter.
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OK, if you don't include psychological, cognitive & behavioural differences which replicate panculturally and also in other apes - eg men being more interested in working with things and women with people - in 'gender,' I agree that social-only aspects of performance exist.
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eg, men in Saudi Arabia wear what we would call dresses and associate with women's wear but they don't and consider it traditionally masculine attire. This is a culturally constructed difference.
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