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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      I understand the US government is going about defining man and woman based on a framework of biological sex. What alternatives should be used to not ‘erase' trans people that are coherent, material, objective and useful in law?

      4 replies 0 retweets 29 likes
    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir

      I'm not even sure what that question means. There's seldom a need to define the sex of someone in law and when there is, it usually comes down to some biological difference which can be accounted for in law.

      6 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
    3. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      In the UK, sex is a protected characteristic that enables women, for example, to exclude men from certain protected spaced (prisons, rape crisis centres etc). Such protections require a defintion of what a man and a woman is. This is quite fundamental, no?

      1 reply 0 retweets 22 likes
    4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir

      No, they don't. One can recognise the reality that trans people exist and that, in some areas, like sport and prisons, their rights and inclusion need to be considered in a class of their own. We wrote this about it.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

      3 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
    5. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose

      Of course trans people exist, but I suspect their many experiences, motives and presentations do not enable a unified, useful defintion. On the other hand, you appear to not want to recognise the objective, material existence of women? I hope I am wrong.

      2 replies 0 retweets 22 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir

      I sent you an essay. I recognise the objective material reality that biological sex is bimodal in teams of reproductive systems, yes, but also that gender comes from a variety of other biological aspects like brains, hormones, genetics etc.

      3 replies 2 retweets 7 likes
    7. David Smith‏ @theedwardian81 Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir

      Andy, are you sure you aren't doubling down a little too hard here? Having known you through skeptical stuff for years and Helen's views widely disseminated and dissected the last few weeks.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
      Replying to @theedwardian81 @HPluckrose

      I know, I am surprised I am here too right now. The disputable concepts of gender appear to come through various fashionable nonsense ideologies of the various pomo-style theories. So, I am just fascinated as to where this might lead?

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      We've always done this in one way or another. If "He is a feminine man" makes sense to you, you too instinctively see gender as something different to biological organs. It's annoying to discuss and attempt to define sharply tho so I tend not to get into it.

      4 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    10. Margaret Nelson‏ @Flashmaggie Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      "Gender", as it's being used here, means role-playing, with the players attempting to impose those roles on other people's perceptions. Unsurprisingly, you can't do that. It's impossible to dictate how other people experience your behaviour, and it's all about behaviour.

      1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @Flashmaggie @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      OK, well, it's unlikely to go away as gendered behaviour seems to be related very much to our evolved brains and hormones and the cognitive and psychological differences these produce.

      6:17 AM - 23 Oct 2018
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        2. Margaret Nelson‏ @Flashmaggie Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

          To use an unscientific term: Phooey! I wrote behaviour, not gendered behaviour. You've reversed the concept. Gender is fashionable nonsense, nothing to do with brains or hormones, though it'd be good if more people used the latter.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
          Replying to @Flashmaggie @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

          OK, if you don't include psychological, cognitive & behavioural differences which replicate panculturally and also in other apes - eg men being more interested in working with things and women with people - in 'gender,' I agree that social-only aspects of performance exist.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Flashmaggie and

          eg, men in Saudi Arabia wear what we would call dresses and associate with women's wear but they don't and consider it traditionally masculine attire. This is a culturally constructed difference.

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        2. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Flashmaggie @theedwardian81

          But here is the thing: even if such behaviour may have roots in ‘evolved brains’, two things are true: 1) No behaviour is exclusive to one sex and so defines that sex. Men and women have overlapping behaviour characteristics. 2) To define women/men by behaviour is sexist.

          2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
        3. M Johnson‏ @emmamaryjohnson Oct 23
          Replying to @lecanardnoir @HPluckrose and

          This is broadly supportive of your point I thinkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEX9Usqdurs&feature=share …

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
          Replying to @emmamaryjohnson @lecanardnoir and

          That's Cordelia Fine, a blank slatist, much debunked.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. M Johnson‏ @emmamaryjohnson Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir and

          on this subject - and as I understand it he argues strongly against blank slatism. But he said same thing: distinctive profiles, sure, but huge amount of overlaphttps://youtu.be/jnjWiUbmLGs 

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Margaret Nelson‏ @Flashmaggie Oct 23
          Replying to @emmamaryjohnson @HPluckrose and

          Noticed that the word gender is used as synonymous with sex during the first part of the interview. Irritating.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 23
          Replying to @Flashmaggie @emmamaryjohnson and

          The word gender is quite capable of switching meanings within a sentence to the practiced gender ideologist.

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        8. Margaret Nelson‏ @Flashmaggie Oct 23
          Replying to @lecanardnoir @emmamaryjohnson and

          Humpty would agree.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @Flashmaggie @theedwardian81

          Got to dash, but am feeling despondent that someone following in the footsteps of Sokal has not noticed that this is an area that has abandoned truth, reason and objectivity and privileged subjective interests and perspectives. Clarity sacrificed to deliberate obscurantism

          1 reply 1 retweet 9 likes
        3. Margaret Nelson‏ @Flashmaggie Oct 23
          Replying to @lecanardnoir @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

          Thanks Andy. Hadn't heard of Sokal. Interesting.

          3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 23
          Replying to @Flashmaggie @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

          Is co-authored book "Intellectual Impostures” got me into scepticsm two decades ago. The realisation the intellectual left was on a crash course to oblivion. We are seeing the inevitable playout of what Sokal wrote about.

          1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
        5. Margaret Nelson‏ @Flashmaggie Oct 23
          Replying to @lecanardnoir @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

          Just ordered online.

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. End of conversation

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