Andy, are you sure you aren't doubling down a little too hard here? Having known you through skeptical stuff for years and Helen's views widely disseminated and dissected the last few weeks.
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Replying to @theedwardian81 @HPluckrose
I know, I am surprised I am here too right now. The disputable concepts of gender appear to come through various fashionable nonsense ideologies of the various pomo-style theories. So, I am just fascinated as to where this might lead?
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Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81
We've always done this in one way or another. If "He is a feminine man" makes sense to you, you too instinctively see gender as something different to biological organs. It's annoying to discuss and attempt to define sharply tho so I tend not to get into it.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @theedwardian81
And no I do not use the term gender apart from discussion here, because I have not confidence any listener will share the same conceptual understanding as me. If a shit-show of a word. Any use of the word gender I use, I can replace with a ‘sex’ alternative. e.g.
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Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81
This looks like turning into one of those discussions of definitions which does very little to engage with the reality of what is going on with gender identities different from biological sex and which is not yet well understood. We can't define the reality away.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @theedwardian81
I am afraid if we cannot agree on definitions then no meaningful communication can take place between us. We will just be speaking gobbledegook at each other. A shame, but it is late here, so goodnight.
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Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81
I think we just have to go with what we can agree on. What there is evidence for. Much talking past each other comes from thinking the other person is defining things the same way as you. Hence calling people delusional. I agree it would be nice to have clear boundaries tho.
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Eg "You're delusional if you think men can be women" usually means "You're delusional if you think people born with penises can be people born with vaginas" but the other person didn't mean that at all so isn't delusional but defining things differently.
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I want to go with the evidence which is that people exist who feel sure they are the opposite sex to their genitals & science is starting to show us why they do. In practical terms, we need to recognise that this causes some unique rights & access problems which need addressing.
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What? I'm the one pointing that out. Oh dear. Are we going to have a complete communication failure because you insist on arguing with things I;m not saying too? I'll bail out if so.
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