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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23

    No, I am not going to lose today to arguing about definitions of 'woman' and 'gender' in relation to trans issues. I co-wrote this piece on the subject which covers all I have to say about it.https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

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      2. somuchforsubtlety‏ @somuchforsubtl2 Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        "cis people"...sigh. why is it that when we try to cater to the sensibilities of extreme minorities we end up changing the rules for everyone else...

        2 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @somuchforsubtl2

        When talking about trans issues, we do need a word for people who aren't trans or we just get lost in confusion.

        3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose @somuchforsubtl2

        In the same way, the word 'heterosexual' came into existence after the word 'homosexual' was invented.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      5. somuchforsubtlety‏ @somuchforsubtl2 Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        Was "heterosexual" also used as a stick to beat people with the privilege of not being gay into moral submission?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @somuchforsubtl2

        It definitely has been, yes. But words for things themselves don't do that. They're invented because people need a word to describe things that had not previously needing describing.

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      2. Fat Freddie's Cat #FBPE  🇮🇹 🇪🇺 🌊‏ @petersquires Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        But do human rights actually exist?

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      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @petersquires

        Only if we make them exist.

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      4. Fat Freddie's Cat #FBPE  🇮🇹 🇪🇺 🌊‏ @petersquires Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        That's the problem, at least for me, if they are by consensus they are not innate. So, if I decide to self-identity as Marie Antoinette's left testicle, I only have that right if it is conferred upon me by my (hopefully) cake-eating peers

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      5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @petersquires

        They're not innate, no. How could they be? We have to work it out. We have only ourselves to blame or praise for the way we now treat trans people.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Firefeng‏ @phoenix_blade Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose @petersquires

        Some of them might be innate and tied to biologically instinctual behaviors of social animals. Historically, how many independently developed religions boil down to, "Don't be a dick to people unless they're outside/endangering your tribe, because fuck those guys."

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      7. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @phoenix_blade @petersquires

        Our moral sense is innate, yes. But we know it's not innate to give everyone human rights because we'd have done that before now.

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      8. Firefeng‏ @phoenix_blade Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose @petersquires

        We kinda did, it just lacked sophistication and we called it "religion". The Golden Rule is absolutely an expression of a human right. The rule of law is thousands of years old and exists to codify rights perceived as innate.

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      2. Fred Mitchell Dump‏ @DumpFred Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        If some guy wants to put on a pretty dress and skip to the park, I can’t imagine why anyone would care, but that doesn’t make him a woman (especially if he still has his ding-dong).

        3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @DumpFred

        Yes, that's a completely reasonable and relevant response to my essay. Thank you so much for the contribution.

        3 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Fred Mitchell Dump‏ @DumpFred Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        “Reasonable and relevant”?!? I had to double check to make sure you were talking to me.🙀

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Wendy Carter-Sandy‏ @wkcarter2341 Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I’m not sure reclaiming the word *liberal* to use it as you do without confusing people is possible. Rational and reasonable still resonate. Great article. I’m conservative WASP yet this describes my take on trans and gay people to a great degree. Do you know of @RyanTAnd ?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @wkcarter2341 @RyanTAnd

        Liberal means something different in my country than in yours, anyway. It doesn't mean left wing.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. End of conversation
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      2. Vasudhaiva Kutumbkam‏ @GreatCircus Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I have mixed feelings on the issue. I empathize but solutions proposed (eg for prison) seem complex. Not sure how the govt should approach this.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @GreatCircus

        We said this:https://areomagazine.com/2017/09/27/an-argument-for-a-liberal-and-rational-approach-to-transgender-rights-and-inclusion/ …

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. End of conversation
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      2. CEO Russian Troll Farm Inc.‏ @CEORTF_Inc Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        This is kindergarten stuff. Really.pic.twitter.com/pZJTOnfD9S

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
        Replying to @CEORTF_Inc

        I think my essay does better at addressing the issues around it, tbh. The science of why some people are trans, how to address unique practical issues around trans identity & the ethical considerations but I agree that wouldn't interest a kindergartener.

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      4. CEO Russian Troll Farm Inc.‏ @CEORTF_Inc Oct 23
        Replying to @HPluckrose

        I'm sure it does Helen. I look forward to reading it when I'm not in the middle of stuffing in a quick lunch.

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      5. End of conversation

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