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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      We've always done this in one way or another. If "He is a feminine man" makes sense to you, you too instinctively see gender as something different to biological organs. It's annoying to discuss and attempt to define sharply tho so I tend not to get into it.

      4 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    2. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

      I think these terms like sex and gender, male and female are deserving of analytical definitions, not loose handwaving that may be masking fallacies, errors and nonsense. Protections and rights surely depend on this.

      2 replies 2 retweets 8 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      And people make them. We just can't enforce them on everyone or agree on them and so the meaning generally remains a vague & fluffy "characteristics, identities & behaviours which are associated with sex but are not biological organs."

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

      Is that another way of saying there are no stable meanings to these words? And if so, how are you not erasing the concept of ‘woman’ as having an objective, material meaning?

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      The reality is that there is no stable meanings to these words, yes. If there were, you'd not be arguing to me that gender doesn't make sense because it would. I didn't make the reality and pretending it doesn't exist won't produce an objective, material meaning.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

      Until historically very recently, the word ‘woman’ has had a very stable and coherent meaning - adult human female. Some men have then declared “I am a woman” and suddenly everyone is in a mess. We can choose to a) say, “that is not true”, or b) abandon any meaning to the word.

      1 reply 1 retweet 12 likes
    7. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 23
      Replying to @lecanardnoir @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

      Can you explain what it is that has led you to adopt position (b)?

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      I mean the science of it is new. Obviously, you can advocate for only going by reproductive systems for ethical or political reasons but this won't make the reality that people who feel the opposite sex to their gonads exist or the science which is starting to show why go away.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      "This is what we've always believed so why stop now?' is a terrible reason for taking a position when there is now more to be known. If your fear is for women's rights if we acknowledge that trans identity is real & rooted in biology, this can addressed w/out denial of biology.

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    10. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 23
      Replying to @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

      But why ‘stop believing’? Sex is by definition about reproductive capability. Suddenly, the ‘science is new’. What science? Again, what compelling reason do we have for not adopting my position (a) - just stating that someone has a false belief?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 23
      Replying to @lecanardnoir @theedwardian81

      The reason people won't go with a simple "well, you're wrong to feel that way so no-one needs to consider you," is a mixture of science showing the experience to be rooted in biology and liberalism wanting to let people live as they wish provided it doesn't affect anyone else.

      5:25 AM - 23 Oct 2018
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        1. Andy Lewis‏ @lecanardnoir Oct 23
          Replying to @HPluckrose @theedwardian81

          Nothing about having coherent descriptions stops people living how they wish live. Until recently, effeminate men, or ‘gender benders’ knew they were men but lived with feminine marker etc. (Here is a nice picture of the Human League)pic.twitter.com/fpKCTMba3P

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