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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @SkepticReview89 @C_Kavanagh and

      Yes. Too much of the "you've has conversations with someone who turned out to be a ideological loon."

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    2. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticReview89 and

      Turned out? Was Stefan’s nature in any doubt over the past decade? Again, this isn’t about being ideologically cloistered, it is about choosing to repeatedly happily converse with someone who ran a predatory online cult and is a fairy blatant misogynist/racist.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @SkepticReview89 and

      You can disagree that that's a good thing to do. He also tries to talk to antifa and the most extreme feminists, BTW. But whatever you think of his judgement in that doesn't say anything about the project or his/our motivation in this.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticReview89 and

      Did he repeatedly appear with extreme feminists/antifa advocates to bash the excesses of the far right? If so I would genuinely like to see that. I disagree it’s irrelevant. It speaks to his judgment and what he considers important. It doesn’t automatically impugn you or the ...

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @HPluckrose and

      ... project overall. But it is relevant when assessing his involvement. What you call bad judgment, I call pandering. He didn’t go on to challenge Stefan on his lack of critical thinking/abuse of research on race. He went on to bash feminism.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @SkepticReview89 and

      OK. I'll leave you to talk about character, motivation and association of authors rather than their ideas but I am disappointed. We do bash feminism tho. Yes. That's an actual stated position to engage with that doesn't require mindreading or guilt by association.

      3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    7. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @C_Kavanagh and

      I've been following this conversation -- don't have time to really participate right now, but I will say that while I don't doubt your motives certain associations are a real problem.

      3 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    8. Roccam's Occam Robots‏ @myhumangetsme Oct 22
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @HPluckrose and

      They're not a real problem to assessing the merits of these arguments. You know better than this nonsense.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @myhumangetsme @CathyYoung63 and

      "I don’t think it’s an either/or thing. Judge a work on its own merits but consider the agenda/biases of the author. Even in empirical research the ideology people approach a question from very often defines the answer they receive." And 1 more time: Not saying to dismiss hoax.

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    10. Roccam's Occam Robots‏ @myhumangetsme Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and

      And yet your only concern seems to be to consider the agenda/biases of author, even who they might dare to speak to. What are your actual criticisms of this work in its own merits?

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @myhumangetsme @C_Kavanagh and

      But he didn't say that was his only concern so therefore its unjust to observe that it demonstrably has been for tweet after tweet after tweet.

      10:31 PM - 22 Oct 2018
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        2. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @myhumangetsme and

          Again though Helen, you joined in a conversation that was explicitly talking about the importance of considering context. Complaining that I would focus on that is a little myopic. Should I switch all my conversations to whatever you want to discuss when you appear?

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        3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @myhumangetsme and

          I won't appear.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. Nathan K‏ @nathan_k Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @C_Kavanagh and

          I think there is a fairly strong disagreement here about what conversation implies, which - as I've said to you before Chris - is something that seems completely undefined at a social level, and most people don't agree about.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Nathan K‏ @nathan_k Oct 22
          Replying to @nathan_k @HPluckrose and

          I feel like the entire conversation above was just a messy proxy for that disagreement

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @nathan_k @myhumangetsme and

          It was also a lot to do with mindreading and guilt by association.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        7. Nathan K‏ @nathan_k Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @myhumangetsme and

          "guilt by association" is what I'm referring to, though Chris might not like that as a summary. People have different ideas about "internet adjacency" and what it implies. Which shouldn't be surprising, things are moving quickly

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @nathan_k @myhumangetsme and

          Ah, I see!

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Nathan K‏ @nathan_k Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @myhumangetsme and

          I think there are a number of counter intuitive little axioms at work that account for the various political sub divisions we see. Theism, Blank slatism, disagreement about free speech definition, clear implications of having a conversation, what the state is philosophically etc

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        1. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @myhumangetsme and

          The criticisms of the project are laid out very nicely in the article by @HdxAcademy that I linked to WAY back at the start of this thread. Here it is again: https://heterodoxacademy.org/academic-grievance-studies/ … On balance though I am in favour of the hoax and think it was worthwhile.

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