OK. I'll leave you to talk about character, motivation and association of authors rather than their ideas but I am disappointed. We do bash feminism tho. Yes. That's an actual stated position to engage with that doesn't require mindreading or guilt by association.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @C_Kavanagh and
I've been following this conversation -- don't have time to really participate right now, but I will say that while I don't doubt your motives certain associations are a real problem.
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Replying to @CathyYoung63 @HPluckrose and
If you bash feminism on Molyneux's podcast, you're basically giving reinforcement to someone known for saying extreme misogynist stuff. (*Really* misogynist, not in the "SJW" sense.)
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Replying to @CathyYoung63 @C_Kavanagh and
OK, you can consider it bad judgement to do that. I don't know Molyneux but see occasional deranged tweets. But we shouldn't judge someone on them having talked to someone mad & horrible. Peter is the furthest thing from a misogynist or misogyny enabler that I can imagine.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and
And I'm getting really sick of having spent a year working on a problem I think really important to address and being told this doesn't matter. We really need to be talking about how one of us spoke in a friendly way to an ideological loon.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and
For someone who claims to care about being fairly represented you don't seem to mind when you misrepresent the arguments of others to make yourself look better. I don't recall making the case that 'it doesn't really matter' and all that matters is who Peter associates with.
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Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and
I'm not claiming you think that but rather than the project, you just want to talk about Dave Rubin, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux and the biases common to classical liberals and us being associated with them. This happens so much, I tend to think its deflection
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Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and
How about the fact that in most of the above I am responding to specific questions you asked! For instance, you specifically ask me to lay out the biases of classical liberals. I have explicitly distinguished you, James, and Peter and said from the start that people should...
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Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and
Rubbish! I didn't bring up classical liberals or any of the irrelevant people. I admit I let you take me off on the red herring and asked you to clarify what you meant by the biases you kept referring to. But we did try to get back to the project several times.
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Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and
Yes, I fully understand you want to focus solely on the problems that your study revealed and dismiss all the criticisms as unfair, unrelated deflections that amount to poisoning the well, etc. The bit I am missing is why I need to accept your characterisation of what matters?
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You don't. You can keep avoiding talking about the project as much as you like and instead somehow relate it to the time Sam Harris spoke to Ezra Klein. Obv, I'd love you to take the project seriously but you remain a free agent. I'll just go away and try talking to someone else
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Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and
lol, and there was me thinking you jumped into the thread when I was talking to someone else. Sorry for not discussing issues that you prefer to discuss in the way you want.
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Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and
I did. To agree with you and then I thought a reasonable discussion might be possible. Then it wasn't. Now I'm leaving. Behold the flexibility of human interactions.
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