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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticReview89 and

      Turned out? Was Stefan’s nature in any doubt over the past decade? Again, this isn’t about being ideologically cloistered, it is about choosing to repeatedly happily converse with someone who ran a predatory online cult and is a fairy blatant misogynist/racist.

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    2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @SkepticReview89 and

      You can disagree that that's a good thing to do. He also tries to talk to antifa and the most extreme feminists, BTW. But whatever you think of his judgement in that doesn't say anything about the project or his/our motivation in this.

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    3. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticReview89 and

      Did he repeatedly appear with extreme feminists/antifa advocates to bash the excesses of the far right? If so I would genuinely like to see that. I disagree it’s irrelevant. It speaks to his judgment and what he considers important. It doesn’t automatically impugn you or the ...

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @HPluckrose and

      ... project overall. But it is relevant when assessing his involvement. What you call bad judgment, I call pandering. He didn’t go on to challenge Stefan on his lack of critical thinking/abuse of research on race. He went on to bash feminism.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @SkepticReview89 and

      OK. I'll leave you to talk about character, motivation and association of authors rather than their ideas but I am disappointed. We do bash feminism tho. Yes. That's an actual stated position to engage with that doesn't require mindreading or guilt by association.

      3 replies 0 retweets 10 likes
    6. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @C_Kavanagh and

      I've been following this conversation -- don't have time to really participate right now, but I will say that while I don't doubt your motives certain associations are a real problem.

      3 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    7. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Oct 22
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @HPluckrose and

      If you bash feminism on Molyneux's podcast, you're basically giving reinforcement to someone known for saying extreme misogynist stuff. (*Really* misogynist, not in the "SJW" sense.)

      4 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @C_Kavanagh and

      OK, you can consider it bad judgement to do that. I don't know Molyneux but see occasional deranged tweets. But we shouldn't judge someone on them having talked to someone mad & horrible. Peter is the furthest thing from a misogynist or misogyny enabler that I can imagine.

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    9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

      And I'm getting really sick of having spent a year working on a problem I think really important to address and being told this doesn't matter. We really need to be talking about how one of us spoke in a friendly way to an ideological loon.

      1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
    10. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

      For someone who claims to care about being fairly represented you don't seem to mind when you misrepresent the arguments of others to make yourself look better. I don't recall making the case that 'it doesn't really matter' and all that matters is who Peter associates with.

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      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and

      I'm not claiming you think that but rather than the project, you just want to talk about Dave Rubin, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux and the biases common to classical liberals and us being associated with them. This happens so much, I tend to think its deflection

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        2. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

          How about the fact that in most of the above I am responding to specific questions you asked! For instance, you specifically ask me to lay out the biases of classical liberals. I have explicitly distinguished you, James, and Peter and said from the start that people should...

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        3. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @HPluckrose and

          ... consider the content of your critique and what you found. To make it even more explicit THEY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IDEOLOGICAL PANDERING = SCIENTIFIC MERIT in some fields. But acknowledging that does not mean it is deflecting to consider the biases/agenda of those ...

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        4. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @HPluckrose and

          ... involved. Which include you, PB, and James and potentially your mystery funder. I accept your reasons for not disclosing funding btw but it is not a non-issue. Now, where in that did I say ignore all your findings because PB talked to Molyneux?

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        5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and

          You didn't say to. You just did it.

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        6. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @C_Kavanagh and

          And this happens repeatedly. I raise the results of the project & people say "well we know some papers can be really bad but what about the time one of you talked to Rubin and Molyneux or when Peterson retweeted you and they're all connected to Sam Harris who spoke to Murray?

          1 reply 1 retweet 7 likes
        7. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

          I'm sure some people do make unjustified guilt by association dismissals of your entire project. That isn't what I am doing. I have not dismissed the project, nor have I dismissed you on the basis of your co-authors actions.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and

          OK but I'm not going to sit around waiting for you to stop talking about Rubin, Peterson & Harris as the context in which it shld be read even tho I ignore Rubin, find Peterson the biggest barrier to addressing the problem, admire Harris & none of them had anything to do with it

          1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
        9. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

          Grand. I don't recall stating they had anything to do with the project. I also didn't say Molyneux did. I'm also not forcing you to go back and forth here. I'm mainly responding to you. Happy to agree to disagree.

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        1. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @C_Kavanagh and

          You've just said "We need to look more broadly at context" and then that was all you did. Perhaps in another conversation, I could succeed in bringing you back to the project & significance of it but that didn't happen today. All about people who had zero to do with the project.

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