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Editor @AreoMagazine Secular, liberal humanist. Mother. Doglover. Writing book about epistemology & ethics on the academic left Helen.pluckrose@areomagazine.com

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    1. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticReview89 and

      Unsure afte previous confusion if this is aimed at me. If it is, I’d say I’m a centre left person. Certainly not far left.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    2. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @HPluckrose and

      I also feel like your moving dangerously close to guilt by association.

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    3. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @SkepticReview89 @C_Kavanagh and

      Yes. Too much of the "you've has conversations with someone who turned out to be a ideological loon."

      2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
    4. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticReview89 and

      Turned out? Was Stefan’s nature in any doubt over the past decade? Again, this isn’t about being ideologically cloistered, it is about choosing to repeatedly happily converse with someone who ran a predatory online cult and is a fairy blatant misogynist/racist.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @SkepticReview89 and

      You can disagree that that's a good thing to do. He also tries to talk to antifa and the most extreme feminists, BTW. But whatever you think of his judgement in that doesn't say anything about the project or his/our motivation in this.

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    6. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @SkepticReview89 and

      Did he repeatedly appear with extreme feminists/antifa advocates to bash the excesses of the far right? If so I would genuinely like to see that. I disagree it’s irrelevant. It speaks to his judgment and what he considers important. It doesn’t automatically impugn you or the ...

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    7. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @HPluckrose and

      ... project overall. But it is relevant when assessing his involvement. What you call bad judgment, I call pandering. He didn’t go on to challenge Stefan on his lack of critical thinking/abuse of research on race. He went on to bash feminism.

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    8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @C_Kavanagh @SkepticReview89 and

      OK. I'll leave you to talk about character, motivation and association of authors rather than their ideas but I am disappointed. We do bash feminism tho. Yes. That's an actual stated position to engage with that doesn't require mindreading or guilt by association.

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    9. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Oct 22
      Replying to @HPluckrose @C_Kavanagh and

      I've been following this conversation -- don't have time to really participate right now, but I will say that while I don't doubt your motives certain associations are a real problem.

      3 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    10. Cathy Young‏Verified account @CathyYoung63 Oct 22
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @HPluckrose and

      If you bash feminism on Molyneux's podcast, you're basically giving reinforcement to someone known for saying extreme misogynist stuff. (*Really* misogynist, not in the "SJW" sense.)

      4 replies 1 retweet 17 likes
      Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
      Replying to @CathyYoung63 @C_Kavanagh and

      OK, you can consider it bad judgement to do that. I don't know Molyneux but see occasional deranged tweets. But we shouldn't judge someone on them having talked to someone mad & horrible. Peter is the furthest thing from a misogynist or misogyny enabler that I can imagine.

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        2. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

          And I'm getting really sick of having spent a year working on a problem I think really important to address and being told this doesn't matter. We really need to be talking about how one of us spoke in a friendly way to an ideological loon.

          1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
        3. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

          For someone who claims to care about being fairly represented you don't seem to mind when you misrepresent the arguments of others to make yourself look better. I don't recall making the case that 'it doesn't really matter' and all that matters is who Peter associates with.

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        4. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and

          I'm not claiming you think that but rather than the project, you just want to talk about Dave Rubin, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson and Stefan Molyneux and the biases common to classical liberals and us being associated with them. This happens so much, I tend to think its deflection

          2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
        5. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

          How about the fact that in most of the above I am responding to specific questions you asked! For instance, you specifically ask me to lay out the biases of classical liberals. I have explicitly distinguished you, James, and Peter and said from the start that people should...

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @HPluckrose and

          ... consider the content of your critique and what you found. To make it even more explicit THEY SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IDEOLOGICAL PANDERING = SCIENTIFIC MERIT in some fields. But acknowledging that does not mean it is deflecting to consider the biases/agenda of those ...

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        7. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @HPluckrose and

          ... involved. Which include you, PB, and James and potentially your mystery funder. I accept your reasons for not disclosing funding btw but it is not a non-issue. Now, where in that did I say ignore all your findings because PB talked to Molyneux?

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        8. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @CathyYoung63 and

          You didn't say to. You just did it.

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        9. Helen Pluckrose‏ @HPluckrose Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @C_Kavanagh and

          And this happens repeatedly. I raise the results of the project & people say "well we know some papers can be really bad but what about the time one of you talked to Rubin and Molyneux or when Peterson retweeted you and they're all connected to Sam Harris who spoke to Murray?

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        2. Zaelkrie  🇿🇦‏ @thegothking Oct 22
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

          So you can't talk to people until you do a full background check on them and denounce everything they've ever said? Sounds like a ridiculous bar to meet. You can agree with someone you don't like about one thing without endorsing everything they've ever said or believe.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 23
          Replying to @thegothking @HPluckrose and

          Another factor is you have to predict if in the future they will ever say or do anything that some people don't approve of. It's an impossible standard to meet. It's not rational.

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 23
          Replying to @SkepticReview89 @thegothking and

          It’s also a straw man. If that is the argument it can be rightly dismissed. The harder, more accurate argument is that you should expect people to do basic research on those they repeatedly appear with and avoid lending support to racist/misogynist/conspiracy theorists.

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        5. Skeptic Review‏ @SkepticReview89 Oct 23
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @thegothking and

          Chris, you won't let go of this. I will continue to read Hemingway, but a recent article told me I maybe shouldn't because of misogyny? No. “The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them.” ~Ernest Hemingway

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        6. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 23
          Replying to @SkepticReview89 @thegothking and

          And you continue to present the most convenient version of the argument to knock down. I’m not saying don’t read Hemingway. I’m saying you should be held accountable for those you chose to lend legitimacy too. You can talk to fanatics without lending them legitimacy.

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        7. Zaelkrie  🇿🇦‏ @thegothking Oct 23
          Replying to @C_Kavanagh @SkepticReview89 and

          You say that while asserting that talking to them is lending them legitimacy, it seems to me you just want to control under who and what circumstances people can talk to other people. Do all women need your permission before they talk to someone or only those you disagree with?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        8. Chris Kavanagh‏ @C_Kavanagh Oct 24
          Replying to @thegothking @SkepticReview89 and

          lol. Amazing logical inferences... Let me try and clarify things for you: I am *not* saying never engage with extremists/ideologues. I am saying if you engage uncritically and in a way that serves to endorse/strengthen their extremist dogmas then you deserve to be criticised.

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        2.  👻 🎃BOO!art Hayashi 🌎 💱‏ @legendre007 7h7 hours ago
          Replying to @HPluckrose @CathyYoung63 and

           👻 🎃BOO!art Hayashi 🌎 💱 Retweeted Helen Pluckrose

          Some friends of mine through internet correspondence went on Molyneux's podcast. I showed them Molyneux's advocacy of white supremacism. They told me they didn't know about that; after that, they stopped going on his show. https://twitter.com/HPluckrose/status/1054598608576790528 … @CathyYoung63 @RealJeffHoliday

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          Helen Pluckrose @HPluckrose
          Replying to @CathyYoung63 @C_Kavanagh and 3 others
          OK, you can consider it bad judgement to do that. I don't know Molyneux but see occasional deranged tweets. But we shouldn't judge someone on them having talked to someone mad & horrible. Peter is the furthest thing from a misogynist or misogyny enabler that I can imagine.
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        3.  👻 🎃BOO!art Hayashi 🌎 💱‏ @legendre007 7h7 hours ago
          Replying to @legendre007 @HPluckrose and

           👻 🎃BOO!art Hayashi 🌎 💱 Retweeted

          But when another friend of mine was interviewed on Molyneux's show, I informed him of the white supremacism. He shrugged that off as unimportant, as if it wasn't more scandalous than the Larry King Show. https://twitter.com/legendre007/status/1056551393866076160 …

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        4.  👻 🎃BOO!art Hayashi 🌎 💱‏ @legendre007 7h7 hours ago
          Replying to @legendre007 @HPluckrose and

           👻 🎃BOO!art Hayashi 🌎 💱 Retweeted

          For me, when it comes to assessing the judgment of a former guest on the Molyneux podcast, there's a big difference between the first sort of reaction and the second. https://twitter.com/legendre007/status/1056551830149189632 …

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